Must-See Video: Joe Rogan on Ali, Tyson, Jordan, and the ‘Madness of Excellence’

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I really do believe that madness and excellence are just next door neighbors.”

So says Joe Rogan in this fascinating highlight reel focusing on a trio of “extreme winners” — Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, and Michael Jordan — narrated by clips from Rogan’s podcast. Rogan proposes that “a lot of success in athletics comes down to almost like a psychosis. At a real high level of anything, there’s a certain amount of almost crazy behavior to get to this incredible position…there’s a madness.”

Over the clips covering each athlete’s monumental career, Rogan shares his thoughts about the behavior and performances of each athlete, and what made them such outliers in professional sports. Maybe this is only tangentially related to MMA, but if you’re interested in Ali and Tyson, and the mental edges (or disorders?) that make athletic legends so different from the rest of humanity, you’ll want to watch this.


(Props: MischiefMaker37 via TheUG)

I really do believe that madness and excellence are just next door neighbors.”

So says Joe Rogan in this fascinating highlight reel focusing on a trio of “extreme winners” — Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, and Michael Jordan — narrated by clips from Rogan’s podcast. Rogan proposes that “a lot of success in athletics comes down to almost like a psychosis. At a real high level of anything, there’s a certain amount of almost crazy behavior to get to this incredible position…there’s a madness.”

Over the clips covering each athlete’s monumental career, Rogan shares his thoughts about the behavior and performances of each athlete, and what made them such outliers in professional sports. Maybe this is only tangentially related to MMA, but if you’re interested in Ali and Tyson, and the mental edges (or disorders?) that make athletic legends so different from the rest of humanity, you’ll want to watch this.

Why Do We Hate Jon Jones When We Love Muhammad Ali? It Depends On Your Definition of ‘Greatness’


(Jon Jones, pound-for-pound G.S.J.O.A.T.)

By George Shunick

With his recent apprehensions about a rematch with Lyoto Machida and the Twitter war beatdown he suffered at the hands of Chael P. Sonnen, it’s safe to say it hasn’t been a fun week for Jon Jones’ PR advisors. (Jones’s longtime publicist John Fuller actually resigned earlier this week; make of that what you will.) The familiar critiques of Jones being cocky and arrogant have once again intensified leading up to his next title defense against Dan Henderson. Of course, Jon Jones isn’t the first combat sports athlete to suffer these criticisms, despite arguably possessing the skill set to justify his conspicuous confidence. Before him, there was another young, brash, cocky, black fighter – black athletes being historically stereotyped and criticized as cocky and disrespectful by some inane, unwritten code of sporting ethics – who also had to suffer criticisms of arrogance: Muhammad Ali.

Perhaps it is because of their similarities that Jones has attempted to model himself after Ali, or at least inspire comparisons between the two. Perhaps he looks at how people perceived Ali when he fought, and feels that if he evokes the aura of Ali he will eventually be absolved of the criticisms he faces today. After all, when we look at Ali now, we say he was “confident” rather than “cocky” – that his accomplishments in the ring ultimately justified his persona. Jones has accomplished such a startling amount in such a short time, but his accomplishments are somehow not yet considered sufficient to justify his ego. Why the disparity? In short, Ali wasn’t just brash and cocky – he was a man of absolute moral conviction. If Jon Jones wants to stifle his critics, he must cultivate that aura of conviction, that willingness to sacrifice convenience for the sake of some higher goal. So far, he hasn’t been able to do that.


(Jon Jones, pound-for-pound G.S.J.O.A.T.)

By George Shunick

With his recent apprehensions about a rematch with Lyoto Machida and the Twitter war beatdown he suffered at the hands of Chael P. Sonnen, it’s safe to say it hasn’t been a fun week for Jon Jones’ PR advisors. (Jones’s longtime publicist John Fuller actually resigned earlier this week; make of that what you will.) The familiar critiques of Jones being cocky and arrogant have once again intensified leading up to his next title defense against Dan Henderson. Of course, Jon Jones isn’t the first combat sports athlete to suffer these criticisms, despite arguably possessing the skill set to justify his conspicuous confidence. Before him, there was another young, brash, cocky, black fighter – black athletes being historically stereotyped and criticized as cocky and disrespectful by some inane, unwritten code of sporting ethics – who also had to suffer criticisms of arrogance: Muhammad Ali.

Perhaps it is because of their similarities that Jones has attempted to model himself after Ali, or at least inspire comparisons between the two. Perhaps he looks at how people perceived Ali when he fought, and feels that if he evokes the aura of Ali he will eventually be absolved of the criticisms he faces today. After all, when we look at Ali now, we say he was “confident” rather than “cocky” – that his accomplishments in the ring ultimately justified his persona. Jones has accomplished such a startling amount in such a short time, but his accomplishments are somehow not yet considered sufficient to justify his ego. Why the disparity? In short, Ali wasn’t just brash and cocky – he was a man of absolute moral conviction. If Jon Jones wants to stifle his critics, he must cultivate that aura of conviction, that willingness to sacrifice convenience for the sake of some higher goal. So far, he hasn’t been able to do that.

It’s odd to say that, given that Jones is a fighter who has undergone extensive training and laborious hardships, and has legitimately become one of the greatest fighters in history. If he beats Dan Henderson, he will probably become MMA’s greatest light-heavyweight of all time. At his age and given that division’s history, that’s extraordinary. But the sacrifices and conviction I’m referring to go beyond the Octagon or the gym. Ali was a spokesman for the civil rights movement at a time of enormous political and racial divisiveness. He became a Muslim despite the negative perception of Islam in America. He was one of the earliest public figures to oppose the Vietnam War. Refusing to get drafted, he was stripped of his title and was unable to fight – in his prime, no less – for four years.

Ali was cocky, sure, but he was his own man. He did what he thought was right, no matter what the consequences were. He wasn’t perfect – just ask Joe Frazier – but you had to respect him. In contrast, could you imagine Jon Jones protesting American militarism? Speaking out on controversial social issues? The point isn’t that Jones has to do any of these things to earn approval; it’s that he would never even consider doing them. He’d risk becoming a less marketable commodity. He’d risk making less money.

That’s not inherently a bad thing. When Jones says things like he doesn’t want to fight Lyoto Machida because he didn’t make that much money fighting him the last time, or he doesn’t want to fight Anderson Silva because of the financial implications for the loser’s career, he’s making a legitimate point. As a fighter, he has a very finite amount of time to accumulate an amount of wealth that will last him the rest of his life, so it’s imperative he uses that time wisely. You can’t fault a fighter – or anyone, really – for making smart financial decisions.

Of course, it’s somewhat absurd to complain about your financial well-being when you buy a $250,000 Bentley and proceed to wreck it doing the (illegal) thing you said you would never do. Which is what irks people about Jones – what he says comes off as disingenuous, or at least hollow. He’ll say what he thinks he should say to make him more marketable. When, on his Twitter, he describes himself as “Fighting toward Greatness” and asks “Will YOU be a witness?” it sounds more like an extension of the UFC’s “Greatness Is” marketing campaign (which, incidentally, began prior to the Jones-headlined UFC 145) and a rip-off of LeBron James’ “Witness” campaign than anything else. (And don’t forget that “stare into the sunset” pose he struck during staredowns, before Rampage put an end to it.) His every action seems like a ploy to build his brand. Jones is the ultimate company man – not in the sense of someone like Frank Mir, who will take any fight Joe Silva or Dana White tell him to, but in the sense that he seems designed to be the ultimate corporate icon.

But unlike the other UFC prototypical poster boy, Georges St. Pierre, Jones has the arrogance of a man of conviction to rival Ali. It’s in attempting to straddle the line between being a cocky, brash champion in the mold of Ali while streamlining his image explicitly to suit his “corporate wage masters,” as Sonnen might put it, that he falters and alienates people. His arrogance comes off as superficial – not because he isn’t a dominant fighter who has earned it, but because he prioritizes the whims of his company over his own desires.

Or maybe Jones doesn’t really have any desires beyond being a company man, and getting paid for it. Much to the chagrin of MMA fans, there’s nothing wrong with that. The fight business is just that – a business. But by in seeking to draw comparisons to Ali, in aspiring to be something greater than a fighter, Jones opens himself up to the criticism that he receives when he routinely fails to measure up to his own lofty proclamations. He appears disingenuous and artificial. If you’re claiming that’s unfair, it’s not. Like most of the criticisms directed against him, Jon Jones brings this upon himself.

All of this isn’t to say the Jones needs to change his ways. What he’s done has worked out for him fairly well so far, don’t you think? He’s already one of the greatest fighters in the sport’s history, and he’s only 25. Even if he did come off as honest, he’d still probably have to deal with critics who resent the fact that a young, bold, black athlete has had so much success. But at the same time, those who dismiss Jones’ critics as simply being jealous aren’t right, either. There’s a palpable dissonance between the image Jones wants to project as a transcendental figure in combat sports in the mold of Muhammad Ali, and that this image seems more like a brand contrived to bolster his appeal to the UFC audience and make him more money. Ali wasn’t a company man, he was his own man. Whether Jones truly wants to follow in his footsteps and aspire to true “Greatness,” or is content with conforming to the system, getting paid and being one of the best fighters of all time – as odd as that sounds – is up to him.

UFC 148: Will Chael Sonnen’s Mind Games Help Him Upset Anderson Silva?

Ever since their first meeting, Chael Sonnen has been waging a tireless mental assault on Anderson Silva; so much so that anything less than a total war between these two men will seem like theft.Sonnen hasn’t just attacked Silva in the press; he…

Ever since their first meeting, Chael Sonnen has been waging a tireless mental assault on Anderson Silva; so much so that anything less than a total war between these two men will seem like theft.

Sonnen hasn’t just attacked Silva in the press; he’s insulted the entire country of Brazil and even made comments about Silva’s wife.

If there ever was a line that separated the acceptable from the unacceptable, Sonnen has obliterated it.

But there is something else drifting out there in the madness and the haze; the realization that if Sonnen does pull off this upset as he predicts, no small part of that will be due to how the American got into Silva’s head, much like Muhammad Ali got into the head of Sonny Liston prior to their first bout.

It’s not so much that Sonnen and Ali are similar in their choice of words as it is how similar they are in their tone, the confidence behind them and their relentlessness.

Anytime Ali got in front of a camera or talked to a reporter, he was relentless in his attack of Liston, making bold predictions on one hand while attacking Liston’s character and credibility as a fighter on the other, and it was always a two-fisted attack.

Sonnen is doing much the same thing, but on a much larger scale, and as Liston finally broke and began to return fire by his own limited means, so has Silva.

But the difference is in their styles of fighting. Silva is much more akin to Ali while Sonnen is much more like Liston, which makes this fight all the more compelling.

Sonnen has raised the bar for this bout so high that all other bad blood matchups in the history of the sport are miles below it. He’s invested so much time into his mental attack on Silva that the pressure to deliver rests squarely upon his shoulders.

Anything less than an inspiring and dominant victory will not do, at least when it comes to living up to all the claims Sonnen has made. Of course, any kind of victory that sees him claim the title will be good enough for Sonnen on a personal level, but it won’t be good enough to empower his words the next time he takes to the camera to make bold predictions and demeaning comments.

Still, in the fight game, sometimes the best way to go into such a high-profile fight against such a great competitor is to make sure you have no other option but victory, and Sonnen has done this for himselfor to himself—if he should lose.

If he has truly rattled Silva so much that it will make the champ fight furiously instead of surgically, Sonnen could have perhaps the easiest night of his life.

Or, it could take on all the aspects of Ali’s rematch with Liston, when it was Ali who was the furious one, and we all know how that ended; Ali blew Liston out of the water in the first round as his anger focused his skills to a needle point. Should Silva be of the same state of mind, Sonnen could find himself getting knocked out just like Liston did.

As time winds down, we know one thing for certain: Chael Sonnen believes in Chael Sonnen, no question about it. That in turn begets the true question to be asked of this fight: does Anderson Silva believe in Chael Sonnen?

If he does, then this will be one fight Sonnen has won before even stepping into the octagon.  

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MMA Myth or Fact: Does Sex Before a Fight Weaken a Fighter?

By now, even the most casual of fight fans has heard the saying that fighters shouldn’t have sex before a fight, and some old school trainers (especially in boxing) don’t like their fighters to have sex during training. In the words of Mick…

By now, even the most casual of fight fans has heard the saying that fighters shouldn’t have sex before a fight, and some old school trainers (especially in boxing) don’t like their fighters to have sex during training.

In the words of Mick (from Rocky): “women weaken legs.”

Muhammad Ali, according to some reports, wouldn’t have sex within a six-week window as a fight drew closer.

So, what’s behind all this talk?

I know of a great many men who cannot seem to understand this. They argue that sex relaxes the body, and going into a fight would seem the best time to be relaxed.

Makes sense to me.

Others talk about the confidence building aspects of good sex, and how that could carry over into the ring.

Also makes sense to me.

In doing research on the subject, I was surprised at what I found out. I was not going in to prove or disprove, but understand why it has almost become an accepted norm in the fight game.

The first notion I expected to find proven true was the belief (right or wrong) that sexual activity weakened key muscles used in either boxing, MMA, or other combative sports like wrestling, judo, etc.

I found not a hint of that.

What I did find were concerns more of the mental than physical.

In an article by Stefan Lovgren for National Geographic News, Doctors Ian Shrier (a sports medicine specialist) and Emmanuel A. Jannini (a professor of endocrinology) seem to agree that there is no actual proof that sex before athletic events, including those of combative sports, have any kind of diminishing effect on an athlete physically.

“There are two possible ways sex before competition could affect performance,” said Shrier. “First, it could make you tired and weak the next day. This has been disproven.

“The second was is that it could affect your psychological state of mind. This has not been tested.”

In another piece, by BoxingExperts.com, the subject is also addressed as a mental issue, not a physical one.

One of the first things stressed was that sex is really the No. 1 biological imperative—not only of men, but the human race as a species.

Basically, we live to reproduce and further the human race, and the rest of our lives are what we make of it.

I know, it sounds rather dismissive of countless ideologies and disciplines that both men and women can devote their lives to, which have nothing to do with sex or bringing new life into the world.

But I decided to just look at it as simply as possible, and in doing so, I must agree.

We are a society ruled by our sexual urges, and to them we serve. To what degree is usually a great debate, but we really needn’t look all that far than our television set to see the truth.

Advertisements, news, entertainment television—they all appeal to our sex drives to some extent.

For the sake of this piece, the best way to sum it up perhaps is to say that sex is our goal, and once we have it, we are fulfilled.

And therein we find the rub.

Combative sports are not about fulfillment before you climb into the ring or cage, no sir. They are about finding fulfillment after you have defeated your opponent or gone down swinging.

Sex before a fight doesn’t weaken a fighter physically, it weakens them mentally.

If sex is our main imperative as a race, and we have sex before a fight, one of our primary drives as human beings has already been fulfilled, and that “bleeds” over into the performance in the ring.

It dampens that competitive drive to defeat the other man, and if there’s one thing I think a fighter needs when stepping into the cage, it’s a desire to win.

Nay, not just a desire: a hunger.

Fighting by its very nature isn’t done by those already satisfied; it’s done by those who demand satisfaction in a way most of us will never know.

Yet another reason why fighters are very special people in their own right.

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Jon Jones: ‘I Want to Be Better Than Muhammad Ali’

Jon Jones has already drawn comparisons to Muhammad Ali at this stage of his career.Jones has dominated the competition effortlessly and is already a world champion at a young age, much like the legendary boxer.However, the 24-year-old took it one step…

Jon Jones has already drawn comparisons to Muhammad Ali at this stage of his career.

Jones has dominated the competition effortlessly and is already a world champion at a young age, much like the legendary boxer.

However, the 24-year-old took it one step further when he said during a UFC 145 conference call that he hopes to create his own legacy and become better than Ali.

“I’m a huge fan of Muhammad Ali but I don’t want to be him. I want to the best Jon Jones. I want to be better than Ali,” Jones said. “If I don’t become greater than Muhammad Ali, that’s my own fault. That’s why I train so hard.”

Certainly Jones’ dominance has put him in a separate class above the rest of the light heavyweight division, but it has been his current title reign that has suddenly turned him into one of the company’s brightest stars.

Jones’ recent photo shoot for UFC Magazine saw the UFC light heavyweight champion training underwater, reminiscent of Ali’s iconic photograph.

The photo has changed some fans’ perception of Jones and he is aware of the added pressure that comes along with being the champion at this stage in his career, and comparing himself to Ali.

“It adds more pressure (the Ali photo shoot) but I consider it fun. Ali had many flaws in the person that he was but I loved Muhammad Ali,” he said. 

Jones isn’t likely to receive much praise after his comment about Ali, considering he has been somewhat of a polarizing figure thus far with some fans.

For someone who wants to be accepted and denies accusations of being arrogant and cocky, Jones’ current image has not been very convincing.

And setting the bar so high at only 24 years old tells us either Jones is destined for greater success in his career or he is just beginning to show his true colors.

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When Will MMA Have a Muhammad Ali?

As MMA starts to eclipse boxing as the premier combat sport, comparisons are being discussed between boxing legends and up and coming MMA stars.  One recent comparison was made between Jon Jones and Muhammad Ali.  Noted photographer, Michael …

As MMA starts to eclipse boxing as the premier combat sport, comparisons are being discussed between boxing legends and up and coming MMA stars.  One recent comparison was made between Jon Jones and Muhammad Ali.  Noted photographer, Michael Muller stated that Jon Jones was the “21st century Muhammad Ali”.  I think he was swayed by the photo shoot he was doing, but now the question has been posed, “when will MMA have a Muhammad Ali”.

The short answer to this question is probably never, but why not?  Jon Jones has become champion at the tender age of 23 while Ali became champion at 22.  Ali used speed and distance to overwhelm opponents, Jones uses a similar combination of the same attributes to win fights.  Jones has been described as articulate, brash and cocky. Ali was the definition of cocky and his poetic predictions before fights are legendary.  You can easily see where the comparisons come in.  

However to compare the two, you have to look at what Muhammad Ali meant on a social level.  Sure Muhammad Ali started as Cassius Clay, a boxing phenom and became a pioneer in the area of hyping fights with his use of the press.  He became a pioneer in psychological warfare.  He won fights before he got into the ring by getting into his opponents heads and getting them out of their game.  Clay/Ali fought and defeated the best while the best were in their prime.

Cassius Clay transformed into Muhammad Ali, an other-worldly figure that transcended the sport by what he meant socially and to popular culture.  Ali was stripped of his title for taking a stand against the Vietnam war.  He was prohibited from obtaining a boxing license for three years because of this.  This coupled with the public opposition to the war made Ali the “People’s Champion”.  

Ali has become one of the most famous people, not boxers, in the world.  Ali lit the flame at the 1996 Olympics, attempted to negotiate the release of hostages with Saddam Hussein, and even received a Presidential Medal of Freedom.  Those are extremely large shoes to fill.

The likelihood of anyone in MMA having the social impact on the consciences of the United States the way Muhammad Ali did during that time period is very, very slim.  Sorry Jon Jones.  Nice picture, but there’s only one Muhammad Ali, and any comparison is likely an insult.

To Jon Jones’ credit, he embraces the history, but he appears to want to create his own legacy.  He wants to leave a mark on the sport similar to the one Muhammad Ali left, but in his own way.  If he can get past his own Joe Frazier-ish opponent in Rashad Evans, he’ll be on his way to legendary status.      

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