Successes, Straw Men & False Choices: Looking Back (And Forward) in the Aftermath of Metamoris II

(Roberto “Cyborg” Abreu discusses his disappointing draw against Brendan Schaub, backstage after the event. Video via YouTube.com/CagePotato)

By Elias Cepeda

The six-match Metamoris II Pro Jiu Jitsu Invitational card from two weekends ago produced some good action in a number of matches and not great action in others.

The main event, however, left everyone but Shinya Aoki satisfied. The Japanese MMA lightweight and submission ace went up against one of the top submission grappling competitors in the world, Kron Gracie.

The match produced the event’s only submission, with Shinya losing fast to Kron via guillotine choke. With how effective Aoki has been with submissions in MMA, it is fascinating to see him lose to Kron in a similar way to how he lost to all-time great Marcelo Garcia a few years ago at ADCC.

Shinya knows he can make his submissions work against guys who punch and kick him, whereas Kron and Marcelo have less assurance of that right now given their limited MMA experience. However, with strikes removed, Aoki is no match for the likes of Gracie and Garcia, likely because they are able to spend all of their training time on grappling, instead of having to split their time between that and the many other things you need to do in MMA.

The main event finished furiously and in exciting fashion but Kron and Aoki did spend the opening few minutes on their feet, hand fighting with not much happening. Apparently Kron wanted it to go to the ground, however, because eventually he chose to jump full guard in order to get it there.

Once Kron forced it to the ground, he made short work of the MMA fighter Aoki.

Stalling – The Controversy

Roberto “Cyborg” Abreu could have done the same against the vilified Brendan Schaub, but did not. I’m not saying that Schaub was going for the win in his match and one could criticize him for that, but he certainly isn’t the only one to blame for he and Abreu’s uneventful match.

“Cyborg” told us after the match that he was angry. Hell, he told everyone as much while still on the mat, criticizing Schaub for not engaging with him enough.


(Roberto “Cyborg” Abreu discusses his disappointing draw against Brendan Schaub, backstage after the event. Video via YouTube.com/CagePotato)

By Elias Cepeda

The six-match Metamoris II Pro Jiu Jitsu Invitational card from two weekends ago produced some good action in a number of matches and not great action in others.

The main event, however, left everyone but Shinya Aoki satisfied. The Japanese MMA lightweight and submission ace went up against one of the top submission grappling competitors in the world, Kron Gracie.

The match produced the event’s only submission, with Shinya losing fast to Kron via guillotine choke. With how effective Aoki has been with submissions in MMA, it is fascinating to see him lose to Kron in a similar way to how he lost to all-time great Marcelo Garcia a few years ago at ADCC.

Shinya knows he can make his submissions work against guys who punch and kick him, whereas Kron and Marcelo have less assurance of that right now given their limited MMA experience. However, with strikes removed, Aoki is no match for the likes of Gracie and Garcia, likely because they are able to spend all of their training time on grappling, instead of having to split their time between that and the many other things you need to do in MMA.

The main event finished furiously and in exciting fashion but Kron and Aoki did spend the opening few minutes on their feet, hand fighting with not much happening. Apparently Kron wanted it to go to the ground, however, because eventually he chose to jump full guard in order to get it there.

Once Kron forced it to the ground, he made short work of the MMA fighter Aoki.

Stalling – The Controversy

Roberto “Cyborg” Abreu could have done the same against the vilified Brendan Schaub, but did not. I’m not saying that Schaub was going for the win in his match and one could criticize him for that, but he certainly isn’t the only one to blame for he and Abreu’s uneventful match.

“Cyborg” told us after the match that he was angry. Hell, he told everyone as much while still on the mat, criticizing Schaub for not engaging with him enough.

I asked “Cyborg” why, though — once he realized Schaub didn’t want to engage on the ground with him — he didn’t go for more take downs? He also could have tried to pull a tight guard, as Kron did.

In his answer, Abreu did bring up a good point about Schaub not engaging much on the feet either and backing up to the edge of the mat constantly. If he kept pressing for take downs at the edge of the mat, he said, they’d surely fall a good four or five feet down straight onto the concrete that surrounded the mat. He’s kind of right. We’ll get back to that point in a bit.

First, though, in a recently posted video, Metamoris boss Ralek Gracie seemed to continue the criticism of Schaub — who studies with Ralek’s brother. Listen, Schaub has a UFC fight in July. That’s how he makes a living. His UFC name and record is why you were even interested in including him at Metamoris II.

You want to bring Schaub in to increase the visibility of your event because he’s a UFC fighter? Fine. But don’t be naïve about what type of match he’d put on against a guy like Abreu, especially so close to a fight of his.

Schaub told us that Dana White gave him permission to compete in Metamoris on one condition — that he not get hurt. How else could you even begin to try and ensure that you didn’t get hurt against a guy who is trained to strangle and maim you other than to not go very hard against him and be very conservative?

Schaub says he loves Jiu Jitsu and did Metamoris to give back and to see how a top Jiu Jitsu player felt. He accomplished both things.

Ticket sales and energy around and at the event were no doubt increased by Schaub taking part, as a foil, a villain even. Schaub went in there simply to see if he could survive for twenty minutes. Most of us thought he’d be submitted in just a few, including this writer.

Post-match, we also asked “Cyborg”, considering how angry he told us he was at Schaub, if he’d consider going into MMA to fight Schaub as Schaub had gone into grappling to face him. Obviously, Abreu would be a long way away from getting to the point where he’d earn such a fight, but it was a question of principle.

“Cyborg” claimed he was enraged but was he actually “fighting mad?”

The black belt was kind of tepid with his response, though ultimately he said that he was.

“I’m a Jiu Jitsu fighter,” Abreu said, meaning he competes in matches where no strikes are allowed, exclusively. “MMA is not my passion. ..but if I did go into it, you can be sure I’d go after him.”

Cyborg is a beast of a dude — jacked to all heck, spends all day trying to choke people and snap limbs, yet he kind of ruled out MMA when we asked him about it. We can criticize Schaub all day long for not being so great at Jiu Jitsu and for supposedly making a mockery of this pro Jiu Jitsu event. But if we do, we ignore the fact that he makes he spends his days doing what Jiu Jitsu was made for: fighting.

I respect “Cyborg” and also wish he’d had a more engaging opponent or that he himself engaged more (laying on your back in an open guard isn’t really being active), but I also miss the days when being a “Jiu jitsu fighter,” as Cyborg called himself, meant that you, well, fought.

Dangerous Cliff

Metamoris either needs a wall, cage, or crash mats bordering its elevated matted ring, plain and simple. If they ever book someone on their cards who wrestles, it will be a nightmare.

They will either feel stymied, as “Cyborg” says he was, by the edge of the mat because they don’t want their opponent or themselves to fall four feet off the ground onto steel steps or concrete flooring, or they will keep driving for take downs as they should and someone will get hurt uncessarily.

This almost happened with the main event. Kron kept on rolling to catch Aoki in his mounted guillotine and they were about to fall off the mat when Kron wouldn’t let go (Reminiscent of his father lifting an opponent over and through ropes in a ring and then stomping him until he fell to the ground. It was awesome. Go watch old fight footage from Choke and enjoy.) And luckily for them, especially Kron, a big old Affliction-wearing type dude from the audience propped them up, prevented them from falling and Gracie got the tap. That’s like an assist from a fan in the outfield knocking a home run ball back into the field for a fielder to catch and make a game winning out.

There is no indication that Metamoris brass are reconsidering the elevated, un-walled ring concept. In his recent video, however, Metamoris founder Ralek Gracie did vaguely outline some changes that will be coming in the next Metamoris edition.

Metamoris Pro touts itself as a submission-only event. Accordingly, the first event was held without points and judges.

The only way to win was with a submission. If no one got one, the match was a draw.

Metamoris II matches did not have points scored, either, but there were judges. Sure, Ralek says that he believes the presence of judges contributed to tentative fighting at Metamoris II but the idea was a disaster philosophically even before the event took place.

Who the judges were was not widely known. Where they sat wasn’t either, and without points being scored, only the most vague judging criteria was given. The competency and potential conflicts of interest for judges was impossible for the public to evaluate with this way of doing things. And, at the end of matches it was anyone’s guess whether a decision would be rendered and why.

Ralek also pointed out that match-making was also to blame for less than thrilling bouts. Yup. You’ve got to bring people like Kron Gracie, Shinya Aoki, Mackenzie Dern, and Michelle Nicolini — competitors who always fight aggressively — in and pair them up if you want exciting fights.

Those are two legitimate and possibly impactful areas for Metamoris to change/improve upon. Ralek’s other ideas for improvement, however, seem reactionary and as misguided as the idea of including judges for Metamoris II was.

Ralek says that he wants to bring in yellow cards to future Metamoris matches which referees can issue for stalling. He doesn’t say what the penalty would be or what specific criteria might be used for determining “stalling.”

Yellow cards in fight sports have always been a bad idea. Referees should focus on keeping fighters safe and ensuring that rules are followed and that time is kept. That’s it.

You start giving refs the additional responsibility of ensuring a certain pace of competition and you make the fighters less safe and compromise the integrity of the competition itself.

One thing that Metamoris fighters could be given yellow cards is for holding on to grips for too long. A grip-holding shot clock of sorts is another one of Ralek’s ideas.

We agree with our friend Renato Laranja that some matches at Metamoris II looked like two guys fighting for grips on the sheets, but this type of restriction on what is allowed during matches would also compromise the integrity of the competition.

When we spoke with Ralek in advance of Metamoris II, he told us that the beauty of Metamoris is that it would allow grapplers complete freedom, short of striking, to use whatever techniques and tactics they wanted to ensure victory. What all grappling competitions, including Metamoris, need are less restrictions, not more.

You want to eliminate the ridiculous death-grip tactics that are infecting gi Jiu Jitsu matches? Take the gi off at Metamoris events. Speaking of action, the gi only slows down matches.

Or, if Metamoris is to keep gi matches, at least be bold enough to jettison the silly IBJJF rules that prohibit even expert practitioners from using very effective submission techniques. Heel hooks and neck cranks, for example.

It’s one thing to grab a gi grip and sit flat on your back with a De La Riva guard for three minutes, or pull 50/50 guard and stall when your opponent can’t twist your heel and submit you as they should be allowed to. Try that nonsense when your opponent can go for any hold that works and you’ll soon see competitors scrambling more and stalling less.

Taking away judges, making good matches and liberalizing the rules to actually include the full repertoire of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu techniques is all Metamoris really needs to be even better. The event is a good concept and has been pretty well executed thus far.

If it stays true to its mission, Metamoris has the potential to help prevent Brazilian Jiu Jitsu from becoming the Tae Kwon Do of grappling fight styles. If not, it will just become part of the problem.

Paying elite grapplers like the professionals they are and matching them up is a great thing and we support it. Hopefully the next Metamoris event will learn from the right lessons and not overreact to made-up ones.

Royler Gracie on Eddie Bravo Rematch: “Some People Like to Talk, Some People Like to Fight” [VIDEO]

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At the age of 47, BJJ legend (and retired MMA fighter) Royler Gracie is preparing to return to competition later this year at Metamoris 3 (date/venue TBA), in a grappling rematch with Eddie Bravo. In this interview following the match announcement at Metamoris 2 earlier this month, CagePotato reporter Elias Cepeda recaps the first meeting between Royler and Eddie back in 2003 — which made Eddie Bravo’s name overnight and legitimized his forward-thinking approach to jiu-jitsu — and gets Royler’s take on their second meeting ten years later. As Royler puts it, “I’m not trying to make history, I’m already part of history.”

For more behind-the-scenes videos and MMA interviews, please visit CagePotato’s YouTube channel.


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At the age of 47, BJJ legend (and retired MMA fighter) Royler Gracie is preparing to return to competition later this year at Metamoris 3 (date/venue TBA), in a grappling rematch with Eddie Bravo. In this interview following the match announcement at Metamoris 2 earlier this month, CagePotato reporter Elias Cepeda recaps the first meeting between Royler and Eddie back in 2003 — which made Eddie Bravo’s name overnight and legitimized his forward-thinking approach to jiu-jitsu — and gets Royler’s take on their second meeting ten years later. As Royler puts it, “I’m not trying to make history, I’m already part of history.”

For more behind-the-scenes videos and MMA interviews, please visit CagePotato’s YouTube channel.

“Adversity Is the Dust That Polishes the Diamond”: Backstage With Mark Munoz at Metamoris 2

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In this interview with Elias Cepeda at Metamoris 2, UFC middleweight contender Mark Munoz defends the controversial performance of Brendan Schaub, opens up about how his last loss to Chris Weidman sent him into a depression — which he buried in food, at the expense of his health — and discusses how re-ordering his priorities and relying on the support of family and friends allowed him to focus on being a fighter again. Munoz will return to the Octagon at UFC 162 against Tim Boetsch on July 6th. Follow Mark on twitter @Mark_Munoz, and for more hard-hitting MMA interviews, subscribe to CagePotato on YouTube.


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In this interview with Elias Cepeda at Metamoris 2, UFC middleweight contender Mark Munoz defends the controversial performance of Brendan Schaub, opens up about how his last loss to Chris Weidman sent him into a depression — which he buried in food, at the expense of his health — and discusses how re-ordering his priorities and relying on the support of family and friends allowed him to focus on being a fighter again. Munoz will return to the Octagon at UFC 162 against Tim Boetsch on July 6th. Follow Mark on twitter @Mark_Munoz, and for more hard-hitting MMA interviews, subscribe to CagePotato on YouTube.

“There’s No Points on the Street”: Royce Gracie Talks BJJ, Exit From Fighting + More [VIDEO]

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In this chat with CagePotato.com reporter Elias Cepeda at the Metamoris 2 pro jiu-jitsu invitational, UFC godfather Royce Gracie gives us his thoughts on modern BJJ — he prefers the old-school basics, big surprise — and tells us how he’s been spending his days now that his MMA life is officially behind him. And believe us, it’s behind him:

“You gotta know when to stop. It’s not an easy business to be in. I’m just teaching and enjoying life [now]. I’m 46 years old, been there, done that, fought everybody. There’s always gonna be a new guy that [says] ‘Hey, can we fight?’ Nahhh. Been there, done that.”

Follow Royce on Twitter @RealRoyce, and subscribe to our channel for more good stuff.

Previously — Backstage Interview: Renato Laranja, The Unofficial Rabbi of Metamoris 2 [VIDEO]


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In this chat with CagePotato.com reporter Elias Cepeda at the Metamoris 2 pro jiu-jitsu invitational, UFC godfather Royce Gracie gives us his thoughts on modern BJJ — he prefers the old-school basics, big surprise — and tells us how he’s been spending his days now that his MMA life is officially behind him. And believe us, it’s behind him:

“You gotta know when to stop. It’s not an easy business to be in. I’m just teaching and enjoying life [now]. I’m 46 years old, been there, done that, fought everybody. There’s always gonna be a new guy that [says] ‘Hey, can we fight?’ Nahhh. Been there, done that.”

Follow Royce on Twitter @RealRoyce, and subscribe to our channel for more good stuff.

Previously — Backstage Interview: Renato Laranja, The Unofficial Rabbi of Metamoris 2 [VIDEO]

Backstage Interview: Renato Laranja, The Unofficial Rabbi of Metamoris 2 [VIDEO]

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While attending the Metamoris 2 pro jiu-jitsu invitational in Los Angeles on Sunday, CagePotato reporter Elias Cepeda had a backstage run-in with 27-time BJJ World Champion Renato Laranja, who gave his thoughts — if you can call them that — about Rickson Gracie, “poonchang,” Eddie Bravo’s facial hair, somebody named Señor Aoki, and how Andre Galvao vs. Rafael Lovato Jr. looked like two guys fighting for the covers in bed. It’s a moral victory for Elias, just for surviving to the end.

Stay tuned for more of Elias’s Metamoris 2 interviews, and subscribe to CagePotato on YouTube for all of our latest vids.


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While attending the Metamoris 2 pro jiu-jitsu invitational in Los Angeles on Sunday, CagePotato reporter Elias Cepeda had a backstage run-in with 27-time BJJ World Champion Renato Laranja, who gave his thoughts — if you can call them that — about Rickson Gracie, “poonchang,” Eddie Bravo’s facial hair, somebody named Señor Aoki, and how Andre Galvao vs. Rafael Lovato Jr. looked like two guys fighting for the covers in bed. It’s a moral victory for Elias, just for surviving to the end.

Stay tuned for more of Elias’s Metamoris 2 interviews, and subscribe to CagePotato on YouTube for all of our latest vids.

[EXCLUSIVE] UFC Heavyweight Brendan Schaub Takes on New Challenge at Metamoris II

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By Elias Cepeda

There are two high-level and well known international MMA fighters competing on the June 9th Metamoris II card. One is Shinya Aoki, who takes on Kron Gracie in the main event.

Metamoris is a unique submission grappling event filled entirely with super-fights. No points are counted, the matches are twice as long as usual grappling competitions, and the only way to win is by submitting your opponent. Aoki, largely known as one of the most dangerous ground specialists in MMA, is a perfectly logical cross-over guy to bring in to Metamoris.

The other famous MMA fighter on the card is TUF 10 runner-up Brendan Schaub, and his placement doesn’t make nearly as much sense at first glance. Because of his success in the UFC, Schaub is surely one of the most well-known competitors on the card, however, none of the former college and professional football player’s MMA wins have come via submission. He’s young in the sport and is certainly not considered to be one of the best grapplers in the heavyweight division, let alone the UFC.

No, most of Schaub’s success has been achieved in the standup department, by knocking his opponents out silly, not by relying on “the gentle art.” But to the former TUF finalist, competing at Metamoris II against top Jiu Jitsu and submission grappling champion Roberto “Cyborg” Abreu no less makes all the sense in the world.

“A lot of people don’t know this,” Schaub tells CagePotato. “But, Jiu Jitsu is my passion. It was the first real thing I did in martial arts. For me, competing at Metamoris is a way for me to give back to Jiu Jitsu for all it’s done for me. Jiu Jitsu has changed my life.”

Brendan Schaub UFC 134

By Elias Cepeda

There are two high-level and well known international MMA fighters competing on the June 9th Metamoris II card. One is Shinya Aoki, who takes on Kron Gracie in the main event.

Metamoris is a unique submission grappling event filled entirely with super-fights. No points are counted, the matches are twice as long as usual grappling competitions, and the only way to win is by submitting your opponent. Aoki, largely known as one of the most dangerous ground specialists in MMA, is a perfectly logical cross-over guy to bring in to Metamoris.

The other famous MMA fighter on the card is TUF 10 runner-up Brendan Schaub, and his placement doesn’t make nearly as much sense at first glance. Because of his success in the UFC, Schaub is surely one of the most well-known competitors on the card, however, none of the former college and professional football player’s MMA wins have come via submission. He’s young in the sport and is certainly not considered to be one of the best grapplers in the heavyweight division, let alone the UFC.

No, most of Schaub’s success has been achieved in the standup department, by knocking his opponents out silly, not by relying on “the gentle art.” But to the former TUF finalist, competing at Metamoris II against top Jiu Jitsu and submission grappling champion Roberto “Cyborg” Abreu no less makes all the sense in the world.

“A lot of people don’t know this,” Schaub tells CagePotato. “But, Jiu Jitsu is my passion. It was the first real thing I did in martial arts. For me, competing at Metamoris is a way for me to give back to Jiu Jitsu for all it’s done for me. Jiu Jitsu has changed my life.”

The Colorado native moved to Los Angeles a year ago, where he’s been training with Metamoris I competitor and the brother of the promotion’s founder, Ryron Gracie, extensively. Schaub went and watched his instructor compete against Andre Galvao last year at Metamoris I and was inspired to give it a go himself, should the opportunity arise.

“A lot of guys in MMA say they are a purple belt, or brown belt or black belt. Really? What have you done? Have you ever gone against the top level of grappler? Have you ever competed against a true black belt?” he asks.

“The Hybrid” knew that if he got the chance, he’d jump at competing on the next Metamoris card, in order to challenge himself in such a way and to also just stay active. However, he didn’t think his UFC boss, Dana White, would let him.

“I didn’t think there was a chance in the world Dana would let me,” Schaub laughs. “[But] he said, ‘you know what, you can do it, just don’t get hurt.’ So, I’ve been training hard, I have no injuries and this is an incredible challenge for me.”

Schaub has been “training hard” because, in little more than a month after his Metamoris match against “Cyborg,” he has a schedule UFC bout with Matt Mitrione. That’s a bit nuts, if you think about it. The UFC is where Schaub makes his big money, so to risk injury and a muddled training camp by competing in a sport with different rules seems pretty…audacious, especially given his opponent at UFC on FOX 8. But fret not, for the fighter says his priorities and ego are all in check. And better yet, his lifestyle makes him well suited for this type of situation.

“The UFC number is my number one priority,” he insists. “And, there is no such thing as a ‘training camp’ for me. There is no such thing as focus on Matt Mitrione or ‘Cyborg’ Abreu. I train all year round. I’m in shape right now. I’d fight Matt Mitrione on two hour’s notice. Fighting is my lifestyle.”

That said, Schaub has benefited from additional attention and help from expert submission grapplers as he prepares, first, for Metamoris II and Abreu. In addition to Ryron Gracie, his brother Rener, and their cousin Kron spending time with Schaub, he says that world champions Dean Lister and Xande Ribeiro have been working with him as well.

“I’ve gotten world class champs reaching out to me, wanting to help,” he says.

The UFC heavyweight still gets his boxing and wrestling work in, though, as well as sparring his usual twice a week in MMA. As for the threat of injury against Abreu, Schaub just isn’t concerned.

“No, not really,” he maintains.

“My ego isn’t to the point where if ‘Cyborg’ were to catch me in a foot lock or some sort of arm manipulation where I’d let him break my arm before tapping. Fighting in the UFC is still my dream and being in the UFC is the only reason I got an invitation to Metamoris. I owe it all to the UFC. I wouldn’t do that to them or myself.”

That said, Schaub most certainly isn’t showing up Sunday to get his opponent’s autograph and then go home. He’ll be there to win.

“Something that people say that really bugs me is, ‘Oh, this is a win-win for Brendan. Abreu does BJJ for a living and Brendan splits his time because he’s a fighter.’ Listen man,” Schaub says, seriously.

“If I didn’t think I could beat this guy, I wouldn’t have taken the match. I don’t sign up for win-wins. A loss would sting. I’m here to fight for a win.”