John Cholish Explains How Much It Costs to Be a UFC Fighter

The subject of fighter pay in the sport of mixed martial arts has been an ongoing debate for several years with no one coming to a consensus on whether the salaries are good, bad or otherwise. Most recently, former UFC lightweight John Cholish, who ret…

The subject of fighter pay in the sport of mixed martial arts has been an ongoing debate for several years with no one coming to a consensus on whether the salaries are good, bad or otherwise.

Most recently, former UFC lightweight John Cholish, who retired following his last fight at UFC on FX 8, came out against what he perceived to be poor fighter pay structures, and it eventually led to his exit from the sport.

Cholish, who still works a full-time job as a commodities broker on Wall Street, says that he didn’t even break even for his most recent fight where he traveled to Brazil to face Gleison Tibau on the undercard at UFC on FX 8.

He’s spoken out quite a bit lately about the fighter pay issues since his fight on Saturday, but he doesn’t expect many others to follow suit because of their need for the UFC paycheck.

“Zuffa is a private company so they don’t have to disclose a lot of their information, and again this is my personal opinion, I’m not saying it’s for anyone else but I’ve spoken to a vast array of fighters from top level guys to mid-tier guys to lower level guys and I feel at least the guys I’ve spoken with kind of have that same feeling of maybe they’re not being fully compensated the way that they should be. But guys are scared,” Cholish stated when speaking to MMA‘s Great Debate Radio. 

“If you don’t have a secondary source of income, if this is your primary source of income and your full-time job and Dana (White) has been very clear this past year they are going to be cutting a lot of guys from the roster. Top name guys like Jon Fitch that was a huge debate at the time when it happened when he got cut and moved to a different organization.

“I think people are scared and fear the repercussions. I’m in a position where I can kind of speak out and I don’t need the fighter income.”

Instead of just making a blanket statement about what he believes is poor pay for the fighters, Cholish broke down exactly what it costs (in his case at least) to train, travel and prepare for a fight in the UFC. 

 The money involved in Cholish’s case are probably similar to other fighters, but he makes it clear that he can only speak towards what his contract and financial situation with the UFC was for his fighting career.

“Just to be clear I’ve not seen any other fighter’s contracts, maybe I’m this one guy that has this terrible contract,” Cholis said.  “Although I doubt it because it’s probably a carbon copy, but this is just kind of my experience and what I’ve dealt with.”

(It also must be noted these figures do not account for sponsorships that Cholish may have received, only the base pay he reported from the UFC.)

 

Training Camp Costs: $8,000 to $12,000

Before a fighter even steps foot in the Octagon, there is a long process of getting ready for the bout.  Typically a fighter will receive six to eight weeks to prepare for a bout (although that timeline can be shorter or longer depending on the notice given for a fight), and that’s how he structures a camp to get ready.

Cholish trains primarily out of the Renzo Gracie Academy in New York City under coaches like famed jiu-jitsu instructor John Danaher, and with other trainers like Phil Nurse, who works with several high-profile UFC fighters including welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre. 

“This is just gym fees, travel expenses, making sure you’re eating the right stuff, and not talking day-to-day stuff like breakfast, lunch and dinner. More like supplements, training gear, all that top to bottom. I’d say roughly between $4,000 to $6,000 a month when you look at it,” Cholish revealed.  “Again, I live in New York City so I understand costs may be a little bit higher than they are other places, but it’s expensive to train at top places and with individuals.”

Those numbers seem in line with what other fighters have stated in the past regarding a top-notch training camp. 

UFC featherweight Chad Mendes, who was supposed to fight at UFC 157 before several opponents dropped out due to injury, had to postpone his training camp to prepare instead for a fight in late April at UFC on Fox 7. Speaking with MMAJunkie.com at the time, Mendes’ numbers were very similar to those given by Cholish for what a professional training camp should cost.

I go through a camp, and I spend my own money. I’ll go $6,000 or $7,000 or even $10,000 in, and then right before the fight it falls through. I don’t get that money back, so that in itself is frustrating, let alone having to kill myself for nothing.

 

Pre-Fight Medicals

Before a fighter steps into the cage to compete in the UFC, he must first undergo a series of medical exams to gain clearance for a fight. Those tests can range from a typical physical to blood tests to a CAT scan or eye exam if necessary. 

Cholish says after suffering an injury before his last scheduled fight in December 2012, he had all of his pre-fight medicals done, but some of the tests required by the commission expired before his next bout so he had to redo many of them again.

While he can’t speak to the exact costs of medicals required because his own personal insurance (paid by his brokerage house employer) picked up the tab, he did happen to get a bill by accident for some of the bloodwork that was required before he traveled to Brazil.

“I actually had my medicals for the Yves Edwards fight, which expired by a very brief period of time and I had to get my medicals done again,” Cholish explained. “Fortunately, I have insurance that is kind of able to cover it, but the bloodwork alone I got a bill that they misprocessed and didn’t go to my insurance was almost $800. Just for the bloodwork.”

Cholish says that while he did not incur the costs of the medicals because of his own insurance, his understanding is that fighters are responsible for the cost of those tests out of pocket.

“It’s not cheap and it’s not free. From my understanding (medicals) yes it is (the fighter’s responsibility),” Cholish said.

 

Travel Expenses: Estimated for Brazil Near $4,000

As part of his contract for a fight, Cholish explains that the UFC will pay for his flight and hotel for a fight (in this case his trip to Brazil) along with one coach or corner person. In addition to those costs, the UFC will cover the expenses to pay for a visa to travel to Brazil for both the fighter and his coach (price is $500 a piece). 

Cholish explains however that while the UFC does pay for him and a coach to make the trip, almost no fighter will go into a bout at that level without at least two other coaches or corner people to work the fight. 

“For me how it was set up for Brazil, I have two flights covered so for me and for one coach and then you get one hotel room. The hotel we’re actually staying at only had two single beds in it so there weren’t any queen-sized beds, not that I would have four grown men sleep together in a bed. 

“So, for example, when I had my fight in Toronto, you have to pay for two additional flights for two coaches. You have to pay for another hotel room, which they make you get there on Monday or Tuesday. So it’s usually for four or five nights so that adds up,” Cholish explained. 

I choose to take care of my coaches’ meals while they are there.  Again, I don’t think they should have to pay out of pocket to be there.  For Brazil as well there was a $500 visa fee, that was included for coaches.

“You also have to pay for your corner licensing, you have to pay for your medicals before the fight, so it might not seem like a lot but when you start adding it together.  Especially a flight to Brazil costs $1,500 or $1,600 a piece and you’re only making $8,000, it chips away pretty quickly.

 

International Taxes: $2,160

When the UFC travels internationally, the fighters that compete there must also pay additional taxes to the country where the card takes place. When a fight takes place in Canada, the competitors traveling there from the United States have to pay Canadian taxes before getting their money for the fights.

Fighting in Brazil, Cholish explains that the tax is 27 percent of the take home pay. In his case his contracted rate to fight was $8,000 (he would have won an additional $8000 with a win). Before he receives any pay from the UFC, Brazil taxes take $2,160 from his $8,000 paycheck. 

“Brazil takes 27 percent before you even get the money. That comes right out,” Cholish said. “Same thing as Canada, they take their money before you leave.”

On top of the taxes taken by each individual country, the fighters are still responsible for paying taxes in their home country of origin as well. So after paying the $2,160 to Brazil, Cholish still owes taxes to the United States government as well for income earned.

 

Final Analysis

While there are no hard numbers on what each individual fighter spends on a training camp, in Cholish’s case based on the dollar amounts he gave, his bout at UFC on FX 8 would end up costing him more than $6,000 out of pocket ($8,000 show money – $2,160 for taxes = gross pay of $5,840.  $8,000 for training camp + $4,000 for travel with coaches). 

Those figures also don’t reflect any additional money Cholish would have paid for his coaches to eat in Brazil or other expenditures, such as medical costs that in this case he did not have to pay for before the fight.

Cholish isn’t sure there is a perfect answer to this problem either outside of the UFC paying their fighters a higher sum of money or possibly setting up to pay some sort of fees for training camps, travel costs, etc. 

Many experts point to a fighter union that would run in similar fashion to those in other major sports like the NFL or Major League Baseball, but Cholish admits that at the heart of it all MMA is an individual sport, not a team sport, and that’s going to make it harder to convince the fighters making the most to give up something for those making the least.

“I am in no means asking them to step down, you can’t blame them,” Cholish said about the UFC’s top earners. “They worked really hard to get where they’re at and they’re finally getting paid. Why should they stick their neck out especially when if one ore two of them does it, is it really going to be enough? So unfortunately I don’t think a union is a base way to go.”

Cholish believes that the fans are the real voice that will force the UFC to change the way they pay fighters. He’s started a campaign on Twitter called #PayTheFighters hoping to bring this subject up more often to the higher ups at the UFC. 

“I think the biggest impact will be fans and social media,” Cholish stated. “UFC is a private company, they work for money, where do they get their money from? The fans.”

 

Damon Martin is a Featured Columnist for Bleacher Report and all quotes were obtained first-hand unless otherwise noted.

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T.J. Grant Wants to Paint Another Violent Masterpiece to Earn a UFC Title Shot

UFC 160 fighter T.J. Grant may be one of the most unassuming competitors you’ll ever see step foot in the Octagon, but that’s only until the cage door closes. Outside of fighting, Grant is the epitome of the friendly Canadian stereotype, rarely having …

UFC 160 fighter T.J. Grant may be one of the most unassuming competitors you’ll ever see step foot in the Octagon, but that’s only until the cage door closes.

Outside of fighting, Grant is the epitome of the friendly Canadian stereotype, rarely having a bad word to say about anybody.  Inside the cage, however, Grant is a force of nature—especially since dropping down to the lightweight division, where he’s mauled his way to the top of the weight class and now has the chance to earn a title shot with his next win.

Grant continues to slip under the radar sometimes because he’s not always the most outspoken fighter on the UFC roster, but his fists certainly do plenty of talking for him.  For instance, in his last fight against Matt Wiman at UFC on Fox 6 in January, he unloaded a barrage of punches and elbows to win the fight by knockout in the first round.

There was nothing nice about Grant’s forearm slamming into Wiman‘s head repeatedly until Wiman finally dropped to the canvas.  That win earned Grant his shot at former title contender Gray Maynard this weekend at UFC 160.

Once again, Grant is the underdog and not the loudest guy in the room saying that he deserves a title shot or that he’s going to destroy Maynard in some boastful proclamation to sell the fight.  Grant chooses his words carefully, just as he does the precise techniques he uses to dismantle opponents inside the Octagon.

“It’s a lot easier to be the underdog than the favorite, that’s for sure,” Grant told MMA‘s Great Debate Radio on Tuesday.  “I’ve been the favorite fighting in my hometown and the pressure’s there, but I put the pressure on myself no matter what the situation.  I try to treat every fight the same. I’ve got a lot of pride, and I try to go out there and put on a good fight and try to represent myself good. 

“Obviously winning, that’s what I want to do, but at the same time, I also want to be proud of my performance, win or lose, and have a good fight. This fight is massive for my career, and I understand that.  The pressure’s the same.”

Facing Maynard is a big step forward for Grant’s career, and he realizes what happens if he wins on Saturday night.  It means his next fight will be for the UFC lightweight title and a shot at champion Benson Henderson.

Despite the gold being dangled in front of his face, Grant refuses to even discuss the matter until after he beats Maynard.  He knows just how good Maynard can be on his best night, and even if he’s off his game, the former Michigan State wrestler is still awfully dangerous.

“I’m going to just go out there and fight and do my best.  I know what type of fighter Gray Maynard is and how dangerous he is, but at the same time I’m just going to go out there and fight my fight, fight my style,” Grant stated.  “I’m not intimidated by anything he does in the fight.  We’re going to go in there and get at it.”

Another factor that can’t be ignored about the overhanging ramifications of this bout is that if Maynard wins, it would be his third title shot in the last two years.  While both of those fights came against Frankie Edgar, it was also during a time when the lightweight division was a revolving door of contenders.

Rematches became the standard at 155-pounds, with Edgar having two fights each with B.J. Penn, Maynard and Benson Henderson all in consecutive fights.  Now with the chance to inject some new blood at the top of the division, Grant is ready to seize his opportunity by beating Maynard and becoming the No. 1 contender.

“There’s so many guys out there, I think the UFC’s trying to get away from having the belt tied up for all these rematches.  I’m all for it.  Obviously I want my shot,” Grant said.  “I feel like new blood, I bring an exciting style, I think that a lot of fans don’t know a lot about me, but hopefully just getting to fight on the pay-per-view is going to bring my name to the masses a little more.  I want to have a good performance and be exciting and violent.”

Grant also hopes that his recent performances show that he can not only be exciting but dominating in the way he wins his fights.  The rematches that took place in the lightweight division over the last few years happened because championship fights have been razor close time and time again. 

Grant believes he can change that culture if he captures the belt.  No more split decisions or outcries that the wrong fighter got the judges’ nod.  Grant wants to win the title and define his reign with finishes and one-sided performances.

“I feel like I can be that guy,” Grant stated.  “I take every fight incredibly serious and prepare the best I can, and that’s one thing I always do—I take it one fight at a time.  I don’t look at everybody else in the division and say “can I beat that guy?”.   Give me a training camp, give me an opponent, I’ll train my butt off, I’ll prepare specifically to beat that guy, and I feel like I can beat anyone in the world.”

Grant will get his chance to prove it if he can get past Maynard on Saturday night at UFC 160.

Damon Martin is a Featured Columnist for Bleacher Report and all quotes were obtained firsthand unless otherwise noted.

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Roy Nelson Faces Stipe Miocic at UFC 161 After Main Event Scrapped This Week

UFC 161 took a hit this week when interim bantamweight champion Renan Barao was forced out of his fight against Eddie Wineland, which scrapped the main event for the upcoming card in Winnipeg on June 15. The UFC moved quickly to shift the light heavywe…

UFC 161 took a hit this week when interim bantamweight champion Renan Barao was forced out of his fight against Eddie Wineland, which scrapped the main event for the upcoming card in Winnipeg on June 15.

The UFC moved quickly to shift the light heavyweight fight between Dan Henderson and Rashad Evans to the headline slot, but it left a bit of an open hole on the card with one less marquee featured bout.

With time running out and less than a month to go until the show takes place, the UFC appears ready to call on heavyweight Roy Nelson to potentially step in and fill the vacancy on the card.

According to a report from UFC Tonight on Tuesday, the UFC has contacted Nelson about possibly stepping into a featured bout on the UFC 161 card.

Nelson was on call already for UFC 160 when heavyweight co-main event fighter Mark Hunt had visa issues and was unsure if he’d be able to gain entry into the United States by the necessary time to fight this weekend.  Luckily for Hunt, he got cleared for travel on Monday and arrived in Las Vegas for his scheduled fight against Junior Dos Santos.

Now, with a spot to fill on the UFC 161 card, the promotion is again calling on Nelson to potentially step in and help save the show.

Nelson’s manager Mike Kogan spoke to Bleacher Report on Tuesday night and stated that it was “realistic” that the former Ultimate Fighter winner could end up on the UFC 161 card, although no opponent has been confirmed at this time. 

Nelson is coming off of his third straight knockout victory—the latest coming at UFC 159 in April when he finished off Cheick Kongo in the first round.

Finding the right opponent and compensation could ultimately decide Nelson, or any fighter’s involvement, with a new fight being put together on less than a month’s notice.

It’s likely the UFC will try to make a decision in the next few days to give Nelson and any potential opponent as much time as possible to prepare for a June 15 bout.

UPDATE: Nelson will in fact compete on the card and it will be against Ohio native Stipe Miocic, as the two heavyweights have agreed to meet on the card according to UFC President Dana White who confirmed the news with MMAJunkie.com on Tuesday night.  Miocic was already scheduled for the card against Soa Palelei, but now he will get pulled to face Nelson instead.

There’s been no word on a replacement to step in and face Palelei yet.

Damon Martin is a Featured Columnist for Bleacher Report

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Gegard Mousasi: Top 3 Fighters Like Belfort and Okami Lead Wish List

Gegard Mousasi may not be able to fight again until the end of the year following knee surgery, but he’s already eyeing potential matchups including the top fighters in the middleweight division. It’s been almost five years since Mousasi last fought at…

Gegard Mousasi may not be able to fight again until the end of the year following knee surgery, but he’s already eyeing potential matchups including the top fighters in the middleweight division.

It’s been almost five years since Mousasi last fought at middleweight, and at the time he conquered the best of the best while competing in DREAM, including his grand prix tournament final against current top-10 ranked UFC fighter Ronaldo “Jacare” Souza.

Following that fight, however, Mousasi said the weight cut to middleweight was getting pretty tough, so he was going to try his hand at light heavyweight and heavyweight instead.  Mousasi went on to win nine out of his next 11 fights while picking up victories over notable names like Mark Hunt and Renato “Babalu” Sobral.

Now just one fight into his UFC career, Mousasi is re-assessing things and believes that a move back down to middleweight could bring him very close to a title shot with just a single fight in the division.

“I really feel there is a big chance I will go to middleweight,” Mousasi told Bleacher Report on Tuesday.  “Of course we have to talk to the UFC, but I think it’s all about matchups.  It depends on who I get. Say I get a top guy in the middleweight top three, maybe No. 2 or 3 it would be the best thing to fight at middleweight.  If I get maybe get a guy in the top three at light heavyweight, that could be a fight that would intrigue me.  I don’t have any problem fighting at 205, but I believe at 185 I will have more success.

“It’s all about matchups.  I want the big matchups so I can go for the title.”

Mousasi admits that he’s fighting with a bit of a chip on his shoulder since moving to the UFC, because, despite plenty of history and wins over some of the best competitors in the sport, since those fights weren’t in the Octagon, he’s not being shown the same level of respect as some other fighters.  He holds wins over many top-rated fighters, but since it didn’t take place in the UFC, he feels he’s being overlooked somehow.

Beating a top-three middleweight would certainly erase any doubts.

“People always underestimate me.  Other fighters, they always get credit, but somehow they always judge me like I’m overrated or I’m not good enough,” Mousasi stated.  “I believe I should get more credit like other fighters.  Other fighters lose and they still say oh he’s great, but I lost once and people still give me s—t about that. That’s why I want to fight the big names.”

When looking at the top of the middleweight rankings currently, according to the UFC, the three names listed as the upper echelon include Chris Weidman, Vitor Belfort and Yushin Okami.  Mousasi says sign any of them up, and he’ll happily knock them down.

“As long as it’s a top-three guy,” Mousasi said about his middleweight wishlist.  “I think I can matchup very well against any middleweight.  Wanderlei Silva, Vitor Belfort, (Yushin) Okami, I want to fight guys I haven’t fought.  I’ve fought a lot of guys outside the UFC and people don’t get me the credit. Somehow you have to prove yourself in the UFC, I believe against well-known UFC fighters.  Anyone would be just fine.”

The end goal for Mousasi by next year is to get into a position where he can battle for the UFC middleweight title.  There is something special about that belt because, since 2006, Anderson Silva has been the one clutching the gold and defending it with ruthless aggression.

Like a lot of fighters, Mousasi knows being the person to finally take the crown from Silva’s head would be special, but he’s just about getting the title no matter who holds it at the time.

“Everyone wants to fight Anderson Silva.  I think that’s the problem.  For me it’s all about the title shot.  If I can beat him, I get the title,” Mousasi commented.  “That’s my goal, winning the title.  To get that opportunity that’s what I want.  I want the big fights.”

Before he can get those big fights, Mousasi first needs to finish rehabbing his injured knee, and then once he’s cleared to return to training, he and his management will discuss their options for his next fight.  No matter who it is, Mousasi is ready to face the best, and the top fighters better be ready because he’s coming for them.

Damon Martin is a Featured Columnist for Bleacher Report and all quotes were obtained first hand unless otherwise noted.

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Dan Henderson vs. Rashad Evans Set as New Main Event for UFC 161

With Renan Barao now officially out of UFC 161 due to injury, the promotion has bumped up one of the featured bouts on the undercard to main event status. The UFC announced via Twitter on Tuesday that the light heavyweight bout pitting former champion …

With Renan Barao now officially out of UFC 161 due to injury, the promotion has bumped up one of the featured bouts on the undercard to main event status.

The UFC announced via Twitter on Tuesday that the light heavyweight bout pitting former champion Rashad Evans against former Strikeforce and Pride champion Dan Henderson will now take the main event slot at UFC 161.

UFC officials also confirmed with Bleacher Report that the new main event will be a three-round fight.  Typically all main events (even non-title fights) are scheduled for five rounds, but because Henderson and Evans are bumping up to the headline spot on short notice, their fight remains a three-round bout as scheduled.

Barao suffered torn ligaments in his foot that forced him out of his scheduled title fight against top contender Eddie Wineland, and it left the UFC in a precarious position with less than a month to go until UFC 161 takes place on June 15 in Canada.

The UFC has now turned to the co-main event on the card to fill the headline slot with Evans taking on Henderson in a light heavyweight showdown.

Evans returns to action at UFC 161 following back-to-back losses in his last two fights with his eyes set on redemption.  The former UFC light heavyweight champion suffered a defeat at the hands of his former teammate Jon Jones at UFC 145 last year, and followed that up with a  lackluster performance against Antonio Rogerio Nogueira in February as well.

Now Evans has a chance to get back on the horse again and return to his winning ways with a main event bout against a legendary multi-weight class champion.

For many years, Dan Henderson has been considered one of the top pound-for-pound fighters on the planet with a willingness to literally take on all challengers.  He was both the middleweight and light heavyweight champion when Pride Fighting Championships was bought out several years ago, and went on to capture the Strikeforce light heavyweight title as well.

Henderson even managed to bump up to heavyweight for a bout against iconic heavyweight Fedor Emelianenko, and the Team Quest fighter won by knockout in the first round.

Following a disappointing loss in his last fight to Lyoto Machida at UFC 157, Henderson now hopes to jump right back into title contention with a win at UFC 161.

He’ll face Evans in the new main event for UFC 161, which goes down on June 15 from Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.

The new co-main event for the card is expected to be another light heavyweight fight pitting former champion Mauricio “Shogun” Rua against Antonio Rogerio Nogueira.

Damon Martin is a Featured Columnist for Bleacher Report

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MMA’s Great Debate Radio: T.J. Grant, Mike Pyle and John Cholish

MMA’s Great Debate Radio returns with a stacked show for Tuesday including UFC 160 fighters T.J. Grant and Mike Pyle as well as recently retired UFC lightweight John Cholish. With a title shot on the line in his fight at UFC 160, T.J. Grant stops by to…

MMA‘s Great Debate Radio returns with a stacked show for Tuesday including UFC 160 fighters T.J. Grant and Mike Pyle as well as recently retired UFC lightweight John Cholish.

With a title shot on the line in his fight at UFC 160, T.J. Grant stops by to talk about his rise to the top of the lightweight division since dropping down from 170 pounds.

Grant will discuss his upcoming fight against Gray Maynard, and the possibility of facing Benson Henderson next.

Also on today’s show, veteran fighter Mike Pyle will talk about his resurgence lately where he’s knocked out three opponents in a row.  Can he make Rick Story the fourth victim?  Pyle speaks about the fight and his place in the UFC’s welterweight division.

The final interview of today features former UFC lightweight John Cholish, who retired over the weekend following his fight against Gleison Tibau at UFC on FX 8.

Cholish has made a splash since his retirement announcement, speaking out about fighter pay issues. On today’s show, Cholish expands on that conversation by breaking down dollar by dollar what it costs to be a UFC fighter.

The debate on today’s show heats up as well with several hot button subjects being discussed, including Vitor Belfort‘s latest win, Nate Diaz‘s controversial tweet and much more.

Today’s debate topics include:

Vitor Belfort wins again, but the questions about TRT continue to cloud his performances. Will those questions ever die down or will it continue to haunt him forever?

—Should Vitor Belfort get the next shot at the UFC middleweight title?

—Nate Diaz fined and suspended for tweeting homophobic slur but shows no remorse for action. Do you agree with Diaz‘s stance?

—John Cholish spoke out about fighter pay problems in the UFC.  Do you think this is a widespread issue fighters just aren’t talking about?

This is MMA’s Great Debate Radio for Tuesday, May 21, 2013

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