After Action Review: Did McGregor Actually Beat Diaz at UFC 202?

For 31 months the great Conor McGregor seemed all but invincible. Five top flight opponents entered the cage with him. Before the end of the second stanza all five had fallen to his mighty hands. 
Through adversity and injury, against wrestler and…

For 31 months the great Conor McGregor seemed all but invincible. Five top flight opponents entered the cage with him. Before the end of the second stanza all five had fallen to his mighty hands. 

Through adversity and injury, against wrestler and striker, one thing held true in the world’s most chaotic sport: McGregor would put his fists on another man, and that man would fall.

Death. Taxes. “The Notorious” Conor McGregor’s left hand.

It’s no wonder then. McGregor saw Nate Diaz as just another opponent. Diaz, in theory, was no different than any other man, which is to say he was born to be a victim of the great Conor McGregor. Just a skinny-fat pretender who had failed to claim the throne McGregor now sat so firmly upon.

Reality intruded, as it so often does in combat sports, in the form of a punch right to the face. Diaz’s noodle-armed blows, it seemed, knocked the hubris out of McGregor, dropping him, forcing him to shoot for a confused takedown, the gazelle walking right into the lion’s den to deliver swift justice.

It was there Diaz delivered the coup de grace, what Brazilians call the Mata leao—the lion killer. McGregor had reached for the stars but landed with a thud on the unforgiving Octagon mat. The future, once so bright, was suddenly very much in doubt.

And so, just five months removed from his first UFC defeat, McGregor found himself making the long walk to the cage to face Diaz again. This time he walked first—Diaz may not have held a title belt, but he was champion of this feud, already among the most memorable in UFC history.

After 25 minutes McGregor’s hand was raised in victory—a majority decision that drove the internet into convulsions of both anger and joy. Diaz was left to mutter a plaintive “what the f–k?”

McGregor, gracious in victory, credited his rival with bringing out his best. 

“You’ve got to respect Nate and the style of fighting that he brings,” McGregor told the media at the post-fight press conference. “How can you not?”

When the chits were counted at FightMetric, Diaz had landed 166 significant strikes; McGregor scored 164. But fights aren’t scored in the aggregate. They are judged round by round, with effective striking and grappling the defining criteria. 

Who really won the rematch between Diaz and McGregor? We took a look at the fight, round by round, to deliver an entirely unofficial scorecard of our own.

   

Round 1

McGregor knew what he needed to do to beat Diaz. Benson Henderson had written the book on it. Josh Thomson and Rafael Dos Anjos had both traced from the same pattern. But devising a gameplan and executing it are two different things. 

Diaz, with his wide stance, resting heavy on his front leg to maximize his boxing game, was born to be victimized by leg kicks. He, like his brother Nick, has a seeming disdain for them, both men choosing to eat kick after kick rather than adjust their stance or style. 

Diaz had proven what he could do with his height and reach advantage in the first fight. McGregor would need to utilize the only weapon in his arsenal to re-establish his dominance at distance.

The problem? McGregor had thrown only a handful of Muay Thai style legkicks in his entire UFC career, depending instead on linear kicks of the kind popularized by Jon Jones. In fact he expressly eschewed the style, judging it’s “flat footed” fighters to lack the movement necessary to keep up with him.

This fight depended on him perfectly executing a technique he had just five months to master—and he came out and did it like a multiple-time veteran of the Lumpinee Boxing Stadium.

The first five significant strikes of the bout were all McGregor leg kicks. By the end of the round Diaz’s leg was already bruising and his stance was compromised.

 “The leg kick is a huge factor in this fight,” announcer Joe Rogan roared. “And Conor is using it brilliantly.”

Even better, for McGregor at least, the leg kicks were opening up opportunities for his straight left hand. At 3:19 he dropped a befuddled Diaz to the mat with one, though replay would show clear eyes and a full heart. 

Gone was the head hunter from the first fight. This McGregor was patient, composed and professional. 

“That’s the technical difference between the two of us,” McGregor’s trainer John Kavanagh offered as his fighter took a seat in the corner. For McGregor it was one down and four long rounds to go.

 

   

Round 2 

“No more free kicks,” Diaz’s corner yells as the bell sounds to begin round two. Obviously listening he attempted to check a few early, but whether they landed or were deflected, the kicks served their intended purpose—opening up Diaz for McGregor’s left hand.

The work, at least early in the fight, was much easier than in the initial bout. There McGregor landed plenty of haymakers, but only rarely cleanly, exhausting himself in the process. Here the leg kicks opened the door for everything else, preventing Diaz from circling away and backing him into the cage where McGregor could tee off with his power hand.

Two stunning lefts put Diaz down, though McGregor chose not to engage the Brazilian jiu jitsu expert on the ground. 

“Nate’s having a had time moving on that right leg,” Rogan offered. “That could be a factor in why he’s falling down like this.”

In the corner, Kavanagh was suddenly a true believer in power of Thai boxing, yelling “On the leg, on the leg.” McGregor obliged and landed a right hand to boot, belaying the notion that he’s a one-handed fighter. 

For a fighter often criticized as a head hunter in search only of the knockout, McGregor maintained his focus brilliantly. Diaz came willing to him and, over and over again, was met with a left hand counter no matter what he tried, McGregor parrying everything that came his way and responding with a straight punch that was more timing than pure speed.

“He’s picking him apart right now,” play-by-play announcer Mike Goldberg said. “It’s all Conor McGregor.”

Perhaps that was Diaz’s cue—a check hook launched him back into the fight and a furious combination soon followed. Rogan began selling the idea that McGregor was slowing down, though it wasn’t particularly obvious based on his incredible output.

The two men exchanged 71 significant strikes in the round and, for the first time, Diaz looked to be competing on even terms.

“We have ourselves a fight,” Goldberg said. He didn’t know how right he’d be.

 

   

Round 3

Diaz often fights with his hands down, sometimes even leaning forward to bait his opponent into a punch. His long frame and arms allow him to lean back and either avoid or absorb that blow. His own slapping right hook soon follows and then the storm comes, punch after punch until it feels like it the blows will never stop raining down.

McGregor’s leg kicks had prevented that strategy from coming into play and, on this night at least, his left hand was quicker to launch than Diaz’s right. It required a shift in tactics that came into play in the third round.

Diaz covered his head with both arms and threw a few awkward kicks of his own, sometimes lifting his knee off the ground, looking to close the distance on his Irish rival instead of countering his charge.

McGregor dealt with this change smoothly, sometimes landing stunning elbows when the bigger man attempted to get inside, other times resetting across the cage, causing Diaz to point and the crowd to jeer. 

Perhaps feeling McGregor wilt, Diaz got some of his swagger back in the second half of the round, taunting McGregor who responded with some of the “spinning s–t” Team Diaz despises so much.

Eventually Diaz’s tactical adjustments paid off. With just under a minute left he cornered McGregor against the cage, put the top of his head down on the short man’s chin and proceeded to go to work Diaz style. Punch after punch flowed, to the body, head, arms and air.

McGregor never stopped fighting. On slow motion replay you can even see him avoiding or mitigating many of the worst blows. But they came in waves, a force of nature, inexorable and unyielding.

“Nate Diaz,” Goldberg yelled,”Is looking to finish him right now.”

It didn’t seem to matter to Diaz where the punches landed. He was throwing them until someone made him stop—and only the bell managed to do that.

 

   

Round 4

While the announcer’s focused on McGregor’s alleged fatigue, the fight’s brutality caught up with Diaz in this round. The blood poured and he was forced to constantly sweep it from his eyes. Worse, as his body was failing him, an intellectual challenge presented itself.

He had successfully adjusted to McGregor’s new game plan in the previous round. Now it was McGregor’s turn to show his fight IQ.

After 15 minutes of relying mostly on leg kicks and left hands, McGregor let his jab fly free. Like the leg kicks, it’s never been much of a weapon for him—but here he managed to smoothly dance at distance, firing away with the kind of lead punch he’d never needed before in a UFC fight. 

Some of his favored straight kicks to the body followed and, when Diaz attempted to repeat the feat of closing distance with a heavy guard surrounding his head, McGregor dug shots into his body with vicious glee. 

We knew prior to this fight that McGregor was a gifted puncher and an excellent finisher. After the fourth round of this bout we knew something else—he was capable of outsmarting his foes too.

 

   

Round 5

Blood dripped to the mat, even after a minute in the corner working on the wound, as Diaz flexed his muscles at the sound of the bell.

“Look at the blood,” Rogan said, speaking for us all. “Good lord.”

While the judges scorecards indicated he needed a finish to win, Diaz clearly saw things differently. There was no sense of purpose or urgency from him to score a finish. Winning the round, seemingly, would be enough.

It wasn’t.

The round was one of the closest of the fight. Diaz attempted to push McGregor into the cage and McGregor continued to land punches. The story of the round was McGregor’s takedown defense. Though he didn’t “dominate the clinch” like Kavanagh claimed in the corner, McGregor more than held his own in the championship rounds.

Against the cage McGregor worked sharp elbows that left Diaz leaking blood and overhooks to avoid meeting the mat. Diaz, of course, was Diaz, managing a collar tie and some nice work. But it was mostly a stalemate—for McGregor, that was as good as a win. 

As the round approached the halfway point, a frustrated Diaz pointed at a retreating McGregor, then turned his finger up to offer a rude salute. McGregor responded with a multiple strike combination. 

With ten seconds left in the fight Diaz finally scored the takedown he was desperate for. It was too late to mean much of anything. Both men raised their arms high after the bell rang. Both deserved to soak in the applause.

“Wow,” Rogan said. “What a fight…Those men just gave everything they had. Win, lose or draw, that was an incredible performance by both fighters.”

It felt like a close fight and it was. But, though the Fight Metric stats show both men landing significant strikes in almost identical numbers, McGregor scored the cleaner, stronger blows throughout the bout.

Though not nearly as definitive as their bout in March, this was clearly McGregor’s fight. He took on a bigger, taller, more experienced fighter and did everything necessary to eliminate all those advantages.

“We win or we learn,” McGregor told Rogan after the fight. “I learned from the last contest.”

Now it’s Diaz’s turn to reinvent himself—bring on the trilogy.

 

Jonathan Snowden covers combat sports for Bleacher Report.

 

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After Action Review: Did McGregor Actually Beat Diaz at UFC 202?

For 31 months the great Conor McGregor seemed all but invincible. Five top flight opponents entered the cage with him. Before the end of the second stanza all five had fallen to his mighty hands. 
Through adversity and injury, against wrestler and…

For 31 months the great Conor McGregor seemed all but invincible. Five top flight opponents entered the cage with him. Before the end of the second stanza all five had fallen to his mighty hands. 

Through adversity and injury, against wrestler and striker, one thing held true in the world’s most chaotic sport: McGregor would put his fists on another man, and that man would fall.

Death. Taxes. “The Notorious” Conor McGregor’s left hand.

It’s no wonder then. McGregor saw Nate Diaz as just another opponent. Diaz, in theory, was no different than any other man, which is to say he was born to be a victim of the great Conor McGregor. Just a skinny-fat pretender who had failed to claim the throne McGregor now sat so firmly upon.

Reality intruded, as it so often does in combat sports, in the form of a punch right to the face. Diaz’s noodle-armed blows, it seemed, knocked the hubris out of McGregor, dropping him, forcing him to shoot for a confused takedown, the gazelle walking right into the lion’s den to deliver swift justice.

It was there Diaz delivered the coup de grace, what Brazilians call the Mata leao—the lion killer. McGregor had reached for the stars but landed with a thud on the unforgiving Octagon mat. The future, once so bright, was suddenly very much in doubt.

And so, just five months removed from his first UFC defeat, McGregor found himself making the long walk to the cage to face Diaz again. This time he walked first—Diaz may not have held a title belt, but he was champion of this feud, already among the most memorable in UFC history.

After 25 minutes McGregor’s hand was raised in victory—a majority decision that drove the internet into convulsions of both anger and joy. Diaz was left to mutter a plaintive “what the f–k?”

McGregor, gracious in victory, credited his rival with bringing out his best. 

“You’ve got to respect Nate and the style of fighting that he brings,” McGregor told the media at the post-fight press conference. “How can you not?”

When the chits were counted at FightMetric, Diaz had landed 166 significant strikes; McGregor scored 164. But fights aren’t scored in the aggregate. They are judged round by round, with effective striking and grappling the defining criteria. 

Who really won the rematch between Diaz and McGregor? We took a look at the fight, round by round, to deliver an entirely unofficial scorecard of our own.

   

Round 1

McGregor knew what he needed to do to beat Diaz. Benson Henderson had written the book on it. Josh Thomson and Rafael Dos Anjos had both traced from the same pattern. But devising a gameplan and executing it are two different things. 

Diaz, with his wide stance, resting heavy on his front leg to maximize his boxing game, was born to be victimized by leg kicks. He, like his brother Nick, has a seeming disdain for them, both men choosing to eat kick after kick rather than adjust their stance or style. 

Diaz had proven what he could do with his height and reach advantage in the first fight. McGregor would need to utilize the only weapon in his arsenal to re-establish his dominance at distance.

The problem? McGregor had thrown only a handful of Muay Thai style legkicks in his entire UFC career, depending instead on linear kicks of the kind popularized by Jon Jones. In fact he expressly eschewed the style, judging it’s “flat footed” fighters to lack the movement necessary to keep up with him.

This fight depended on him perfectly executing a technique he had just five months to master—and he came out and did it like a multiple-time veteran of the Lumpinee Boxing Stadium.

The first five significant strikes of the bout were all McGregor leg kicks. By the end of the round Diaz’s leg was already bruising and his stance was compromised.

 “The leg kick is a huge factor in this fight,” announcer Joe Rogan roared. “And Conor is using it brilliantly.”

Even better, for McGregor at least, the leg kicks were opening up opportunities for his straight left hand. At 3:19 he dropped a befuddled Diaz to the mat with one, though replay would show clear eyes and a full heart. 

Gone was the head hunter from the first fight. This McGregor was patient, composed and professional. 

“That’s the technical difference between the two of us,” McGregor’s trainer John Kavanagh offered as his fighter took a seat in the corner. For McGregor it was one down and four long rounds to go.

 

   

Round 2 

“No more free kicks,” Diaz’s corner yells as the bell sounds to begin round two. Obviously listening he attempted to check a few early, but whether they landed or were deflected, the kicks served their intended purpose—opening up Diaz for McGregor’s left hand.

The work, at least early in the fight, was much easier than in the initial bout. There McGregor landed plenty of haymakers, but only rarely cleanly, exhausting himself in the process. Here the leg kicks opened the door for everything else, preventing Diaz from circling away and backing him into the cage where McGregor could tee off with his power hand.

Two stunning lefts put Diaz down, though McGregor chose not to engage the Brazilian jiu jitsu expert on the ground. 

“Nate’s having a had time moving on that right leg,” Rogan offered. “That could be a factor in why he’s falling down like this.”

In the corner, Kavanagh was suddenly a true believer in power of Thai boxing, yelling “On the leg, on the leg.” McGregor obliged and landed a right hand to boot, belaying the notion that he’s a one-handed fighter. 

For a fighter often criticized as a head hunter in search only of the knockout, McGregor maintained his focus brilliantly. Diaz came willing to him and, over and over again, was met with a left hand counter no matter what he tried, McGregor parrying everything that came his way and responding with a straight punch that was more timing than pure speed.

“He’s picking him apart right now,” play-by-play announcer Mike Goldberg said. “It’s all Conor McGregor.”

Perhaps that was Diaz’s cue—a check hook launched him back into the fight and a furious combination soon followed. Rogan began selling the idea that McGregor was slowing down, though it wasn’t particularly obvious based on his incredible output.

The two men exchanged 71 significant strikes in the round and, for the first time, Diaz looked to be competing on even terms.

“We have ourselves a fight,” Goldberg said. He didn’t know how right he’d be.

 

   

Round 3

Diaz often fights with his hands down, sometimes even leaning forward to bait his opponent into a punch. His long frame and arms allow him to lean back and either avoid or absorb that blow. His own slapping right hook soon follows and then the storm comes, punch after punch until it feels like it the blows will never stop raining down.

McGregor’s leg kicks had prevented that strategy from coming into play and, on this night at least, his left hand was quicker to launch than Diaz’s right. It required a shift in tactics that came into play in the third round.

Diaz covered his head with both arms and threw a few awkward kicks of his own, sometimes lifting his knee off the ground, looking to close the distance on his Irish rival instead of countering his charge.

McGregor dealt with this change smoothly, sometimes landing stunning elbows when the bigger man attempted to get inside, other times resetting across the cage, causing Diaz to point and the crowd to jeer. 

Perhaps feeling McGregor wilt, Diaz got some of his swagger back in the second half of the round, taunting McGregor who responded with some of the “spinning s–t” Team Diaz despises so much.

Eventually Diaz’s tactical adjustments paid off. With just under a minute left he cornered McGregor against the cage, put the top of his head down on the short man’s chin and proceeded to go to work Diaz style. Punch after punch flowed, to the body, head, arms and air.

McGregor never stopped fighting. On slow motion replay you can even see him avoiding or mitigating many of the worst blows. But they came in waves, a force of nature, inexorable and unyielding.

“Nate Diaz,” Goldberg yelled,”Is looking to finish him right now.”

It didn’t seem to matter to Diaz where the punches landed. He was throwing them until someone made him stop—and only the bell managed to do that.

 

   

Round 4

While the announcer’s focused on McGregor’s alleged fatigue, the fight’s brutality caught up with Diaz in this round. The blood poured and he was forced to constantly sweep it from his eyes. Worse, as his body was failing him, an intellectual challenge presented itself.

He had successfully adjusted to McGregor’s new game plan in the previous round. Now it was McGregor’s turn to show his fight IQ.

After 15 minutes of relying mostly on leg kicks and left hands, McGregor let his jab fly free. Like the leg kicks, it’s never been much of a weapon for him—but here he managed to smoothly dance at distance, firing away with the kind of lead punch he’d never needed before in a UFC fight. 

Some of his favored straight kicks to the body followed and, when Diaz attempted to repeat the feat of closing distance with a heavy guard surrounding his head, McGregor dug shots into his body with vicious glee. 

We knew prior to this fight that McGregor was a gifted puncher and an excellent finisher. After the fourth round of this bout we knew something else—he was capable of outsmarting his foes too.

 

   

Round 5

Blood dripped to the mat, even after a minute in the corner working on the wound, as Diaz flexed his muscles at the sound of the bell.

“Look at the blood,” Rogan said, speaking for us all. “Good lord.”

While the judges scorecards indicated he needed a finish to win, Diaz clearly saw things differently. There was no sense of purpose or urgency from him to score a finish. Winning the round, seemingly, would be enough.

It wasn’t.

The round was one of the closest of the fight. Diaz attempted to push McGregor into the cage and McGregor continued to land punches. The story of the round was McGregor’s takedown defense. Though he didn’t “dominate the clinch” like Kavanagh claimed in the corner, McGregor more than held his own in the championship rounds.

Against the cage McGregor worked sharp elbows that left Diaz leaking blood and overhooks to avoid meeting the mat. Diaz, of course, was Diaz, managing a collar tie and some nice work. But it was mostly a stalemate—for McGregor, that was as good as a win. 

As the round approached the halfway point, a frustrated Diaz pointed at a retreating McGregor, then turned his finger up to offer a rude salute. McGregor responded with a multiple strike combination. 

With ten seconds left in the fight Diaz finally scored the takedown he was desperate for. It was too late to mean much of anything. Both men raised their arms high after the bell rang. Both deserved to soak in the applause.

“Wow,” Rogan said. “What a fight…Those men just gave everything they had. Win, lose or draw, that was an incredible performance by both fighters.”

It felt like a close fight and it was. But, though the Fight Metric stats show both men landing significant strikes in almost identical numbers, McGregor scored the cleaner, stronger blows throughout the bout.

Though not nearly as definitive as their bout in March, this was clearly McGregor’s fight. He took on a bigger, taller, more experienced fighter and did everything necessary to eliminate all those advantages.

“We win or we learn,” McGregor told Rogan after the fight. “I learned from the last contest.”

Now it’s Diaz’s turn to reinvent himself—bring on the trilogy.

 

Jonathan Snowden covers combat sports for Bleacher Report.

 

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Can UFC Star Conor McGregor Survive Another Embarrassing Loss?

Conor McGregor, a voluble Irishman with the swagger of a god and a left hand from heaven, talked his way into the spotlight, injecting the UFC right in the heart with a syringe of pure bravado.
That was MMA’s dark secret in the time before McGregor arr…

Conor McGregor, a voluble Irishman with the swagger of a god and a left hand from heaven, talked his way into the spotlight, injecting the UFC right in the heart with a syringe of pure bravado.

That was MMA‘s dark secret in the time before McGregor arrived as a savior—though the sport was built on ultra-violence, it was also built on mutual respect and conservatism. Though tattooed from head to toe, muscles bulging, eyes aflame, the typical cage fighter was a lion with the voice of a mouse.

MMA is a millennial sport with an old man’s ethos. That left a void, one so deep and profound that it sucked the Irish fighter in completely. The more he talked, the more he gained, no matter how ridiculous that talk might be. 

McGregor said, in an interview with Esquire, “Trash talk? Smack talk? This is an American term that makes me laugh. I simply speak the truth,” and fans ate it up. He called Nate Diaz a “Cholo Gangsta” and suggested Jose Aldo was on his period to rousing applause.

Everything he did worked—to the point, in public at least, Conor McGregor all but disappeared, replaced by his personas: “The Notorious” and “Mystic Mac.” There had been great talkers in the sport before, fighters like Ken Shamrock and Chael Sonnen who were able to construct a solid fanbase on a foundation of questionable performances. McGregor was different.

Unlike Sonnen, whose athletic career faded just as his character blossomed, McGregor backed up everything he said. His mouth may have earned him his main event shot—but his fighting is what sold him to fans. 

McGregor changed everything. This wasn’t a man looking for camaraderie or to advance the cause of the arts, martial. He was a throwback, a fighter who remembered what the old men mumbling to themselves in every boxing gym knew and preached to deaf ears: it’s called prizefighting for a reason. 

And so McGregor pushed. He pushed opponents, looking for an edge and an angle, a way to sell an otherwise-forgettable foe as a rival for the ages. He pushed promoters, too, money always on his mind. 

“The only weight I give a f-ck about is the weight of the checks,” McGregor told the media at a wild UFC 196 press conference. “And my checks are super-heavyweight.”

You can make a good living as an exciting fighter whom fans love. But you don’t become a pay-per-view star that way. Arturo Gatti was a regular on HBO despite being a B-fighter because his name was synonymous with drama. That, however, wasn’t good enough to draw huge money. Gatti appeared in pay-per-view main events, both times as a B-side to an established superstar.

Without exception, every top draw in combat sports history combined superhuman charisma with superhuman, world-class fight skills. From Mike Tyson to Oscar De La Hoya to Floyd Mayweather Jr., the top stars at the box office first proved themselves to be the top fighters in the ring. 

American fans, despite occasional cries to “think of the children” or the sanctity of the martial arts, love earned arrogance. There’s a fine line between confidence and cockiness, and it’s the same line that divides winning and losing. So long as McGregor wins, he can pull off his uncanny combination of Muhammad Ali and Ric Flair. 

But losing, at least losing regularly, is not an option. Mayweather’s “Money” character was a success because he backed up everything he said in the ring. That’s the difference between Floyd and his one-time protege Adrien Broner. The younger boxer had the act down pat—everywhere but in the ring. That’s the difference between compelling free television and a fight you can sell millions at $60 a pop.  

And it’s what makes this rematch with Diaz so important to McGregor’s short-term future. Fairly or not, there are lingering doubts about McGregor’s place in the fighting pantheon. You can make the case that his greatest wins, against Chad Mendes and Jose Aldo, were products of short notice and lucky punch, respectively. Being choked out by Diaz just confirmed for some the pre-existing doubts that lurked in the community.

McGregor’s awful performance couldn’t have come at a worse time. He was close enough to see the finish line—the heir to the box-office crown that had always been worn by a boxer. This was MMA’s chance to show the world that it had surpassed it’s more established fistic cousin.

But McGregor had to continue his winning ways to grab a stranglehold on the throne Mayweather left open with his retirement last year. Victory was paramount. While failure is part of athletic life, this particular misstep came just as success was required. He needs to win this fight and the inevitable Aldo rematch to maintain steady footing on what is now fairly shaky ground.

In the last two years, McGregor and Ronda Rousey have taken a leap into the mainstream that’s unprecedented in MMA history. They’ve become stars outside our niche, joining a list of peers from the broader sports world.

That kind of superficial stardom is unlikely to fade. McGregor is a name now, a lesser Kardashian in a reality television world. But that’s not enough to sell a fight to the public.

Winning, in short,matters. 

Mike Tyson remained a star after losses to Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis—yet subsequent fights drew closer to 200,000 buys than the nearly 2 million souls willing to pay to see him before he faded into athletic oblivion. Manny Pacquiao’s pay-per-view star has also dimmed since bad losses to Juan Manuel Marquez and Mayweather. Even Brock Lesnar, king of the UFC draws before McGregor, struggled at the box office after an embarrassing performance against Cain Velasquez.

MMA fans and pundits had only just begun to believe in McGregor’s fighting prowess. It was too soon to throw doubt into that equation.

In some ways, these two Diaz fights are like a step off a carefully constructed road to stardom. McGregor took a risk in stepping up a weight class. He attempted to launch himself into the next stratosphere, to become a singular legend in a sport that’s just found its way. He fell desperately, disastrously short.

Combat sports is still a pay-per-view business—and with Rousey’s slow fade toward the movies and no other stars in sight, McGregor’s success has become paramount, not just to him personally, but to the sport generally.

When he was pulled from UFC 200, there was no obvious replacement. The UFC, instead, has looked to the past to fill its superstar void, bringing Lesnar back into the fold and entering serious discussions with former welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre.

But past is merely prologue, and nostalgia can only work for so long. The UFC needs a contemporary superstar, and McGregor has positioned himself perfectly to lead the company and its new owners into a glorious tomorrow, to make sure they didn’t just light $4 billion on fire. But that tomorrow can turn dystopian in an instant.

Superstars in combat sports win. It’s part of the duty description, a requirement to hold the job. Love him or hate him, MMA needs Conor McGregor—it needs someone in that position. This time, McGregor has to triumph— for the good of the sport.   

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The Question: Does Conor McGregor Stand a Chance in the Rematch with Nate Diaz?

Five months ago, the UFC’s best-laid plans came crashing down. Conor McGregor, the sport’s brightest star and featherweight kingpin, stepped into the cage at UFC 196 on March 5 for what was supposed to be a fun fight with veteran Nate Diaz.
A last-minu…

Five months ago, the UFC’s best-laid plans came crashing down. Conor McGregor, the sport’s brightest star and featherweight kingpin, stepped into the cage at UFC 196 on March 5 for what was supposed to be a fun fight with veteran Nate Diaz.

A last-minute replacement for lightweight champion Rafael Dos Anjos, Diaz was expected to put up a valiant effort en route to certain defeat. Smart money had the fight ending in Round 2—but it wasn’t Diaz the oddsmakers expected to see with hands raised in victory.

This fight was supposed to be one more brick in the eventual McGregor statue inevitably built to memorialize his greatness at UFC headquarters. Instead, Diaz, blood dripping from a brutal McGregor assault in Round 1, finished the favorite to the shock and awe of an entire sport with a rear-naked choke.

“I’m not surprised motherf–kers,” Diaz told a delighted Joe Rogan after the fight, but that wasn’t true for the rest of the fight world. It was a huge upset—but one that felt obvious in retrospect. Now, just five months later, the two fighters will run it back at UFC 202 on Saturday.

Is that enough time for McGregor to make the adjustments needed to rewrite history? Or is Diaz simply that kid McGregor doesn’t want to see in his bracket? Bleacher Report lead writers Chad Dundas and Jonathan Snowden discuss.

    

Jonathan Snowden: It’s easy to erase the previous nine minutes of action and focus in like a laser beam on the fight’s glorious finish. After all, it was one of the most shocking in modern UFC history. Watching the light go out of McGregor‘s eyes, his seemingly indefatigable confidence shaken to its core by a staggering left hand, was one of the most remarkable things I’ve ever seen in an athletic competition.

Watching the fight back, you can practically see the moment that McGregor, a fighter built on a powerful left hand and an even more powerful self-belief, faltered, the moment doubt crept into his mind. The fight was over from there—McGregor never recovered, and Diaz never stopped coming forward, a “skinny fat” Terminator robot with Stockton swagger and a slapping left hand.

But until that instant everything changed, it was a fight built on volume. And, lest we forget, McGregor was giving as good as he got—better if you ask him and glance at the FightMetric numbers. In fact, you could argue he was winning the fight until, suddenly, he wasn’t.

Is that thread of hope enough, Chad? Both for McGregor and fans expected to dish out $60 for a rematch? Can McGregor beat Diaz?

    

Chad Dundas: My gut tells me he’ll beat Diaz this time, Jonathan, though I freely admit I base that opinion on little besides my belief in the collective fight IQ of McGregor and coach John Kavanagh. Well, that and the borderline-spiritual ebb and flow of how this sport operates at its highest levels.

McGregor and the Irish Coach K—can I call him that? I think I can—strike me as the sort of fellows who won’t rest until they’ve closed the loopholes that spelled defeat at UFC 196.

As you mentioned, the first bout was a short-notice affair against a guy in Diaz whose baiting, pressure style is deceptively difficult to game-plan around. To top it off, McGregor had sprinted heedlessly into the welterweight division, seemingly without much thought as to how the added weight would undermine his cardio and diminish the natural advantage his power punches had given him at featherweight.

Leading up to that initial fight, McGregor had notched 18 of his 19 career wins via first- or second-round stoppage, so I suppose you can’t blame the guy for assuming he’d stroll in and KO Diaz and stroll out again none the worse for wear.

When it didn’t happen, McGregor didn’t appear to have a plan B.

Well, it’s plan B time now, Jonathan.

The fascinating thing about this fight will be seeing how McGregor has been able to pick up the pieces from his first defeat inside the Octagon. Is he still mentally up to the task of being Conor McGregor, UFC Superstar™? Has he figured out the puzzle of Diaz’s high-volume boxing style? Can he handle this weight (not to mention Diaz’s size and length)? Can he be more than just a potshotting headhunter?

I’m cautiously predicting the answer to those questions will be yes. How about you? 

    

Jonathan: McGregor thought he could be the same McGregor he’d been at featherweight, the one who knocked Chad Mendes silly and took the title from the great Jose Aldo in just “tirteen” seconds. But, as you rightly point out, that was at 145 pounds. In the cage with the taller, rangier Diaz, McGregor was giving up the size and reach advantages he’d grown so accustomed to. 

But size and weight, despite their continued appearances in his press appearances, were not the main issue. McGregor‘s failings in this fight were primarily strategic. Against a fellow southpaw like Diaz, the tactics he normally employs, especially his lead left hand, didn’t work as well as he’d have liked—and when he did land, Diaz smiled through the pain.

Psychologically, as the smaller man, that had to have been hard, the worst fears about fighting a larger foe realized in front of millions. Worse than that, this wasn’t just a failure of power and speed. This was a failure of craft. Diaz didn’t merely outsize McGregor—he outfought him, using both hands while McGregor relied only on the left. In the end, this was a battle of skill. And it was one McGregor clearly lost.

Of course, there is a time-tested approach for fighting a Diaz. Their wide stances leave both brothers wide-open for leg kicks, a technique McGregor used successfully with oblique and side kicks to the knee before falling victim to a slugger’s bloodlust. McGregor also has to lead with a steady jab and then throw the left hand of doom. Otherwise, Diaz will see it coming for miles and slap him silly every time he tries to finish the fight.

There are two questions here, at least as far as the athletic portion of this contest: Is McGregor the kind of fighter who can make the adjustments necessary to win with a full camp to prepare for the tricky Diaz? And, perhaps most interestingly, can his swagger survive a humbling loss? 

A third question lurks, too—what will happen to all the fair-weather fans who followed McGregor into the sport? Will they stick around for the ride? Just how important is this fight for McGregor, Chad?

    

Chad: I think this is the most important fight of McGregor‘s life, and I don’t just say that because that’s what every single fighter has said before every single fight since the dawn of sports media. I say it because this time, it actually happens to be true.

The simple fact is, I don’t see how McGregor can go on being the UFC’s answer to Ric Flair if he loses back-to-back fights to Nick Diaz‘s little brother. Lest we forget, previous to UFC 196, Nate Diaz had established a nearly nine-year, 21-fight track record of being inconsistent in the Octagon. 

Before that night in March, his biggest career win was probably over Donald Cerrone at UFC 141. No impartial observer had the younger Diaz tabbed as a future champion, main event star or even really a “needle-mover,” as UFC President Dana White once famously quipped. We always really liked and admired the guy—it’s hard not to love a Diaz brother, man—but nobody expected him to take over the world.

In other words, Diaz had spent nearly the entirety of his career being a guy McGregor absolutely can’t afford to lose to in a high-profile fight. Then he did, and it raised fairly significant questions about Mac’s future.

If it happens again, McGregor and the UFC will blast out another smokescreen about fighting at welterweight and all that, but many of us will know the truth: that the bombastic Irishman isn’t nearly as good as he claims to be.

Along with that revelation, McGregor would forfeit much of his appeal and much of his all-important bargaining power. Featherweight clashes with people like Jose Aldo and Frankie Edgar might still loom. McGregor might still be able to talk his way into some big late-career fights, a la Chael Sonnen, but his heydays might well be over if he slips up here.

What do you think, Jonathan. Am I being too dire? Or is this really do or die for McGregor?  

    

Jonathan: I’ve always thought McGregor had the potential for greatness. But the great thing about athletics is that these kinds of questions aren’t often left to the imagination. 

By taking a chance and stepping into the cage against a bigger, more experienced man on short notice, McGregor flew a little too close to the sun. If he fails again, this time with a full training camp to solve the Diaz puzzle, is he MMA‘s Icarus? Does this overreach, and not the stunning win over Aldo, become his defining moment?

I think so.

McGregor has become a mainstream figure of sorts in the last year. Another loss won’t entirely kill his career. But he can’t be the Conor McGregor we’ve all come to either love or love to hate if he’s on the losing side of the ledger too often. After all, a loser with a big mouth, ultimately, is still just a loser.

That’s why I’m picking McGregor again. Last time, Diaz proved all his doubters wrong, and it was delightful. But it feels a little too much like an extended victory lap for him, the culmination of a great career. McGregor has more to fight for. He’ll win this fight because there’s no other option—not if he wants to keep being Conor McGregor.

    

Jonathan Snowden and Chad Dundas cover combat sports for Bleacher Report.

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5 Rounds: Stephen Thompson on Robbie Lawler vs. Tyron Woodley at UFC 201

Thousands of fans will flock to the Philips Arena in Atlanta Saturday to see Tyron Woodley (15-3 MMA, 5-2 UFC) challenge Robbie Lawler (27-10 MMA, 12-4 UFC) for the UFC welterweight champion. None, however, will have the vested interest of a man who wi…

Thousands of fans will flock to the Philips Arena in Atlanta Saturday to see Tyron Woodley (15-3 MMA, 5-2 UFC) challenge Robbie Lawler (27-10 MMA, 12-4 UFC) for the UFC welterweight champion. None, however, will have the vested interest of a man who will be watching closely from more than 2,000 miles away.

Top welterweight contender Stephen Thompson will be joining the Fox Sports team to break down the action at UFC 201 from their studio in Los Angeles.

And, while he will be concentrating on entertaining and informing fans, part of him will be watching with a competitor’s eye. The winner, most likely, will be next on Thompson’s road to UFC gold.

Bleacher Report went five rounds with the former kickboxing prodigy to discuss the title fight, falling into a rut, and why Johny Hendricks is easier to fight than Rory MacDonald.

 

Round 1

Bleacher Report: Lawler had lost three of his last four fights before coming to the UFC, and it looked like he was on his way out of the sport. Normally in athletics older competitors don’t come out of death spirals like that.

And then, out of nowhere, he lit the world on fire. He’s been 8-1 since returning to the Octagon, and it got me wondering—what’s different? Can a fighter get hot the way a basketball player or baseball hitter does, going on a streak for games at a time? Or is something else going on?

Stephen Thompson: A lot of times you can get into a rut. You find yourself going to training and you don’t have that passion anymore. I was actually in that situation in kickboxing before I hurt my knee. When I hurt my leg, I was out for almost three years. I’m actually glad it happened.

If it hadn’t, I wouldn’t be where I am today. I was in that rut and actually thinking about retiring. I had been training and fighting since I was 12 years old and had never had a break. Sometimes you need one. When I did come back, I had a fire under me and was fully interested again. And now I’m the No. 1-ranked guy in the world.

A lot of fighters, they get into a rut and they’re not out there to win. They’re just out there because that’s what they’ve always done. And they’ve never taken a step back and rested their bodies, rested their brains and taken a step back. 

Looking in from the outside, just from what I’ve seen, Lawler took some time. For a while he wasn’t even sparring. He’d taken a lot of damage from all the wars and took some time off. He had time to heal up a little bit.

You could see, when he came back to UFC, he was a different fighter. He got that fire back. A lot of guys never do that.   

 

Round 2

B/R: Woodley hasn’t been out with an injury like you were, he’s kind of gone through something similar. He’s been out of action for 18 months.

When you were on the shelf, I know you were still around the sport, watching your dad’s students and your friends compete. How tough is it to sit and watch when you’re geared to get in there and do it?

Thompson: It’s difficult and very frustrating. When you’re on the sidelines, whether because you’re injured or you just don’t have a fight coming up, it’s very hard to watch your teammates go out there. You want them to do a great job, but inside you want to be out there. 

I want to be champion. I want to be out there. That’s why you see so many retired fighters come back. They keep going to the gym and they start doing well. They aren’t injured and they feel good. Pretty soon they start thinking ‘I can still do this.’ 

I was at the UFC Fan Expo at UFC 200 and saw a lot of these retired, old-school Pride fighters, UFC legends. A lot of these guys, they’re still in shape. When you’re a fighter, you’re always a fighter. Even when you’re body can’t keep up, in your head you believe you can do it.

So, for someone like Tyron, who is at his best, I know being out for 18 months had to be hard. Has he prepared himself? Has he taken advantage of the break? That’s the question.

 

Round 3

B/R: He’ll be returning, but to a situation he’s never been in as a UFC fighter—a potential five-round fight. Is it significantly different to prepare for 25 minutes instead of 15?  

And how does it feel to enter into those championship rounds as you did for the first time against MacDonald? Is that all hype? Or can you feel the difference in body and spirit when the clock ticks 15:01?

Thompson: There is a difference in fighting for five rounds and a difference in training for the fight. Your training session have to be a little bit longer—but you have to be smart with it, because it’s easy to overtrain.

You know you’re going five rounds and a lot of guys plan to preserve their energy so they can be fresh at the end. I’ve never been that kind of fighter. I want to go for five five-minute rounds non-stop. That’s my goal.

I learned that from training with champions like Chris Weidman, Georges St-Pierre and Rashad Evans. That’s their mindset and how they got to the top and how they stayed there for a long time. 

For someone who has been out 18 months—I don’t know. What’s his mindset going to be? Is he prepared for a five-round war? Or is he going to try to pace himself?

Those guys who try to pace themselves, sometimes their light dies out a little if their opponent pushes them from the beginning. And Robbie Lawler goes non-stop for five five-minute rounds. The guy is a monster.

 

Round 4

B/R: Woodley has an impressive wrestling pedigree. We’ve seen Lawler get taken down—five times against Hendricks and four times against MacDonald in recent years. How does that ever-present threat of a takedown impact a fighter who wants to keep the fight on the feet?

People have been trying to ground you for years. How do you maintain that trust in your training and keep doing what you do? Is it hard not to take fewer chances and stop doing all the things that got you to the top in the first place?

Thompson: It all comes down to the training you do before the fight. To be successful at this level you have to prepare in every way. For me, I know I’ve prepared as well as I can with the best guys in the world.

In MMA, that’s fairly difficult, because you have three styles to prepare for. You have to prepare for the wrestler. You have to prepare for the jiu-jitsu guy. And you have to prepare for a striker as good as Robbie Lawler

Despite the Johny Hendricks fight and the first fight with Rory MacDonald, we’ve seen his takedown defense get so much better. You have to be confident in your wrestling to succeed the way he has.

One thing you can do, as a striker, is not be real aggressive right off the bat, because you know your opponent is looking for a takedown. You have to draw the takedown out.

When I fought Rory MacDonald, I knew he was waiting for me to close the gap so he could shoot in on me. So I had to back off a little bit and throw a lot of feints out there. 

 

B/R: And that helped you get an idea of what he was likely to do in response to your techniques? Or is the idea to keep him too busy worrying about you to focus on what he wants to do?

Thompson: When I feint, he’s going to react. And sometimes he’s going to get frustrated at all the feints and just go for the takedown. That was my game plan, to try to lure him into a takedown before he was ready. 

I’m glad I did, because he was trying some things that were really crazy. But once I knew what kinds of takedowns he was going for, it made it easier for me to go out there and tee off, because I knew what I was going to have to defend against. 

Lawler knows he’s going to have to look out for that double-leg takedown from Tyron. He’s going to try to lure it out. Tire him out a little bit, make him work. The more times they shoot for a takedown and don’t get it, the tireder they get.

That’s my goal against a wrestler, to move side-to-side so he has a hard time finding an angle to shoot in on my leg. That gets him frustrated and leads to him shooting from further out. And I know Lawler is going to be prepared for that.

 

Round 5

B/R: You’re most likely fighting the winner here right? I know nothing is set in stone in the UFC, but it seems likely that you’ll be on Fox Sports talking about the guy you’re fighting next. 

Thompson: I think that’s the plan. I haven’t actually got a call from UFC, but that’s the talk. I’m thinking, if Lawler wins and comes out unscathed, hopefully he’ll be ready for Madison Square Garden in November.

If Tyron wins, I’m not sure, man. Maybe Lawler will get a rematch. So we’ll see. 

 

B/R: I can tell you’re going to do great in the studio role talking about this fight. But what about as a fighter? What will you be watching for in there? Is there something you can take away from consuming a fight in real time? Or do you wait for your coaches to really dig into it and enjoy it as entertainment?

Thompson: I look to see if they make any changes. It’s easy to prepare for somebody who doesn’t change.

One example is Johny Hendricks. If you’ve seen him fight once, you’ve seen him fight a million times. He doesn’t change. He’s very good at what he does, but he does the exact same things. 

So that’s the first thing I look for. I compare the fight to previous fights and see if he’s doing the exact same things. This made Rory MacDonald, actually, very difficult to prepare for. Because he’s always evolving and throwing out new tricks. I was very nervous stepping in there against Rory because I knew he’d do things I hadn’t seen before. 

The second thing I do is break down the fight a little bit. Where are the openings? Does he react to feints? I like to throw a lot of feints to see how they react. From there I can adjust and maybe throw something a little bit different. Or, once I know how they are going to react to my feint, counter their reaction to me.

There are a lot of fighters who don’t really think about any of this stuff. They just go out there and wing it. They just do it. I’m not one of those. Me and my dad and my coaches, we always go back and reevaluate even after my first-round wins. To see where I made mistakes and where I could have gotten hurt. And how I might have done something a little better.

That keeps you evolving, keeps you learning. You see a lot of guys out there, they don’t go back and look at their fights and try to change anything. Those guys don’t stay on top very long, and they don’t get any better.  

 

Jonathan Snowden covers combat sports for Bleacher Report.

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UFC Icon Chael Sonnen Looks to Reinvent Grappling with Submission Underground

Chael Sonnen reinvented the mixed martial arts game, at least from a promotional point of view, during his decade-plus career as a perennial UFC contender. Known for his motor mouth, even more so than his nonstop pace and powerful takedowns, Sonnen tur…

Chael Sonnen reinvented the mixed martial arts game, at least from a promotional point of view, during his decade-plus career as a perennial UFC contender. Known for his motor mouth, even more so than his nonstop pace and powerful takedowns, Sonnen turned himself into one of the most popular and interesting fighters in a sport filled to the brim with characters of all kinds.

He’s stayed close to the sport since his 2013 retirement, joining the media horde he once wrapped around his finger as part of ESPN’s MMA crew. Now, however, he turns his attention to what could very well be his true calling: fight promotion.

On Sunday, Sonnen debuts ‘Submission Underground’, a submission grappling event at the Roseland Ballroom in Portland, Oregon, that will air exclusively on FloCombat.com. Sonnen sat down with Bleacher Report’s Jonathan Snowden to talk about his latest venture and the challenge inherent in launching another new sport into a very busy combat sports landscape.

 

Bleacher Report: You know people have always said ‘Chael Sonnen, he’d be a great promoter.’ Because you were so great at promoting your own fights. I know you’ve promoted locally forever in Oregon. But what are you learning about this side of the business, as you kind of step into the Dana White role for this Submission Underground thing on a national level?

Chael Sonnen: I knew what I was getting into. The side of it that I enjoy is the promoting, but there’s a lot of stuff that goes into it before you get those opportunities. You’re an event coordinator on top of everything else. You’ve gotta get a whole event together. So as far as the planning and the coordinating go, you know, we’ve got great help, we’ve got a great staff and all that good stuff.

But the promotion is the fun part. Dana has got certain guys he wants to work with; we got certain guys that we want to work with. And if somebody is a pain in the ass, we don’t want to work with them. It’s as simple as that.  

You know it’s an Olympic year. I’m teamed up with Olympic guys, with wrestling guys.  And the right guy always steps forward. The right guy doesn’t let anything get in the way. There has never been an Olympic gold medal put around someone’s neck for sitting at home watching. The right guy comes forward every single time. And you know that’s all we’re looking for.

 

B/R: What can people expect when they tune in? Will this just be a few cameras pointed at some mats? There’s not really a template for what a grappling event will look like?

Sonnen: We’ve got a great environment. We’ve got every bell and whistle you could think of, but people don’t know that yet. It’s a first show, so we’ve gotta deal with certain struggles that we won’t have in the future, in the second and the third event.  

We can come out and tell everybody what a special and great event this is, but you’ve gotta prove it, and that’s what the first one is. So that’s where we’re at. We’re cognizant of that; we’re patient with it. From a promotional standpoint, there is no stone unturned. What happens after that, man, we give the guys an opportunity and it’s up to them.

  

B/R: I don’t mean this to sound insulting, but the entirety of the show, when you have one of these events, is the part of an MMA fight where people scream ‘stand ’em up.’ That’s like the entirety of a grappling event. Is there a challenge when it comes to selling this?

Sonnen: Is there a challenge there? Sure, there is. Everybody knows what a fight is. Not everybody understands grappling. But I disagree with the idea that people don’t like grappling. We’ve been misled to believe that for a while now. We’re told that people want to see people stand up and bang.

Well, people wanted to see Brock Lesnar and they loved every second of it. He is the last thing for stand up and bang. The biggest star ever aside from Brock Lesnar is Georges St. Pierre. He doesn’t stand up and bang with anybody. So, we have been misled over time and then somehow we fought it, but it’s not true and it’s not the only thing people want to see.  

As far as the groundwork goes, there is an educated crowd out there that knows what they’re doing and what they’re seeing. I belong to a gym. We’ve got 200 members. Of those 200 members, when it’s MMA practice, six guys show up. The other 194 members show up when it’s grappling practice.  

MMA fans outnumber grappling fans 20 to one. Participants of grappling outdo participants of MMA 20 to one. So there’s a big base out there and those athletes need somewhere to compete. There’s not a lot of opportunity.

 

B/R: I think that the audience for these grappling events does consist of a lot of participants, and I think in some ways that makes it a very good fit for FloSports, where, you know, they’ve had great success with sports like wrestling and track and field, where I think they are attracting an audience of participants who also are fans of their sports at the very highest level.  

So is that what you’re hoping here is that the 194 people from each major gym all across the country, the ones who are interested in doing this stuff, are also willing to put some money down and watch it being performed at a high level?

Sonnen: I think that’s a fair way to say it. You know we’re bringing excitement and grappling is very exciting, particularly when there has to be a finish. Under the Eddie Bravo Invitational rules, which is what we will be contested under, somebody is going to win.  

 

B/R: That’s pretty compelling, because as a fan of the grappling arts, one of the most frustrating things is the prevalence of the draw. Especially, apologies in advance, because of the American wrestler’s predilection to simply grab a position and hold it.

Sonnen: And I can just tell you, as a grappler, I’ve been in matches where I’ve been in over my head. I just wrestled Babalu, purely grappling. And about 40 seconds into it I knew I was in over my head. And there’s always this parachute you can deploy if I can’t beat him, if I can’t find position or a submission that’s better than what he’s trying to do to me, I’ll just run out the clock. And that’s a reality.

But under these rules, you don’t get to do that. You are putting it on the line. Somebody will win. The goal is to just find out who is the best submission grappler alive. That’s it.

We’re not dangling carrots and trying to find out who the most popular guy in grappling is. We’re trying to find who the best is. Forget about belts and everything else. If you think it’s you and you raise your hand, we will give you a chance to prove it.  

 

B/R: In the old days of grappling competitions, somebody, would get that top position and just hold it forever. Maybe they would occasionally pass to half guard so they would get a point. It was dreadful. It sounds to me like you fixed a lot of that, to minimize stalling and encourage action.

SonnenThat’s what we’re trying to do. And you know the one that did it first was Eddie Bravo. We took a look at his rules, and they were perfect.

When you’re trying to build a division, you have to have a winner. You have to. There has to be a winner to have any kind of competitive architecture. If you want to call somebody a champion, somebody has got to get their hand raised.  

And I talked to Eddie about this and just said ‘Hey, we’re jumping in this space.’ Eddie is the one who said to me ‘Listen, why don’t you take my rules?’ He said, ‘Chael, it’s not just about an event, it’s about an industry.’  

You make one set of rules, you get everybody on board, you have every gym training the same set of rules, and that’s when you actually have a sport as opposed to an event. You walk into any basketball practice in the country, they’re all doing the same thing. Four quarters, this is worth two points, this is worth three. 

You can’t have four or five guys over in the corner because they’ve got Abu Dhabi trials coming up and then three or four guys over here because they’re doing this guy’s show and two or three guys over here because they’re doing Eddie Bravo and another group of guys over here because they’re doing Submission Underground. There’s got to be one set of rules.  

 

B/R: So, how will these matches work? Instead of a draw, this has kind of like a college football setup, where when you move into overtime both guys get the opportunity to score. And if only one does, they’re the winner. And then, if not, you go onto another overtime. Is that roughly how this works?

Sonnen: It’s precisely how this works. It’s nasty.  

So here’s the deal, there’s eight minutes. No scores, no judges, no points. They have eight minutes to go play a game of uncle with one another. There’s nothing off limits. You can do anything you want besides strike him or bite him. Any choke, any manipulation, all the way down to foot locks and heel hooks, which are often banned. Everything goes.  

If they can figure it out within eight minutes, then that guy wins. If they can’t, the referee will stop them, they’ll go into overtime. And they start in overtime with a very precarious position on one another. You can start with a guy’s back, you can start spider guard, you can start with an arm and go.  

 

B/R: It’s not easy to stop a great grappler from those positions is it?

SonnenThere are positions that you get in with high level black belts where you yell ‘Go,’ and two seconds later there is a tap. They’re that vulnerable of positions. Six seconds later there’s a tap, eight seconds later, you know, they’re very vulnerable positions.

But let’s say it doesn’t happen. Let’s say you and I are wrestling, I get away, and you get away. We go to the next set and the next set and then eventually we’ll just look at the time. Did Jonathan escape those positions quicker than Chael escaped those positions? If the answer is, yes, then you win.  

 

B/R: So there’s sort of like a riding time component?

Sonnen: There you go. Yes. You understand amateur wrestling. I would have used that example, I just thought nobody would get it. Yes, just like riding time.  

I mean that’s pretty clear once you see it. Somebody wins and somebody loses. There is no default button and there is no draw, there’s no golden parachute. Someone is going to lose. The guys are putting their name and their reputation on the line here.

 

B/R: For a lot of the guys you’ve got signed up, Chael, that’s kind of a big deal, right? You’ve convinced some fairly major mixed martial arts stars to compete in this other sport where they do have a lot to lose. What is it about these men that compels them to go try to prove they’re the best at this, even though maybe it could hurt them in their other sport?

Sonnen: Here’s all I can do. All I can do is follow the golden rule, treat other people the way you want to be treated. I just ask myself, what would it take?  

I want to compete. I’ve never said no. If somebody calls me to grapple, I never say ‘Who’s the opponent?’ I just say yes. I want to do this. But as willing as I am, and as much as promoters would love to have me, I’ve wrestled twice in two years. There’s just no opportunity. There’s just nowhere to go do it at.  

All we did was set up the environment. It’s like that movie, Field of Dreams, with Kevin Costner. You build it and they will come. We had a match today that tried to get on the card for Sunday. It’s a hot match, Uriah Hall versus Dan Miller, and there’s just no time. And we told them no, but they were calling us. We didn’t call them. 

Ulysses Gomez, Tony Ferguson, Mike Chiesa, Frank Mir and Lyoto Machida—I mean the list goes on and on of guys that want somewhere to do this sport. And I get it, I’m the same way. I’m the same way. It’s like, hey, I’m practicing this every day, let me go show it off.

Or on the other side of it, show me a better way. You know, it’s okay to go out in these kind of events and get beat if there’s something you can learn and take with you to whatever it is you want to do in MMA.

 

B/R: It’s attracting some guys we haven’t seen for awhile too, like former UFC champion Ricco Rodriguez and Chris Lytle, last seen running for political office.

SonnenRicco is one of these guys that just left. He was a world champion, biggest prize in all of MMA, the world heavyweight championship, and one day he just stopped doing it. He was never cut. It wasn’t that Dana didn’t want him, it wasn’t that Pride wouldn’t take him in a heartbeat, he just stopped doing it. He never retired, he never announced anything, he just walked away.

When we announced that he was gonna wrestle, everybody was calling me and going, ‘Hey, that’s the same name of the guy that beat Randy Couture.’ I’m going, ‘It’s not just the same name, that’s the guy. It’s that Ricco Rodriguez.’  

And people couldn’t believe it.  They’d be, you got to be kidding. What the hell? What’s Ricco been doing?  

Lytle is coming out of retirement to take on Jake Shields, who Georges St. Pierre says is the best Jiu Jitsu player in all of MMA. And Lytle has never called me once. One text message, I’ve never heard from him since.  

I hear from all these guys. ‘I heard the place is sold out, how do I get my mother in?’ My phone goes off all day long. I’ve never heard from Chris Lytle. And he’s walking into a hell storm against Jake Shields. He jumped at it. I mean, come on, these are the kind of guys that you want to get behind.

 

B/R: You’ve told me several times how much you would enjoy getting in there. Why didn’t Chael Sonnen the promoter contact Chael Sonnen the athlete?  

Sonnen: I was a little reluctant to do it because, again, if I go in, it takes away an opportunity from somebody else, and we are trying to push opportunities.  

I wanted a match with Tim Kennedy and Tim accepted. But Tim is doing some very important work with the state department, and I’ll have to leave it at that, but he gets a full pass, right?

You don’t get to pick on Tim. ‘Oh, you chickened out.’ Not when you’re doing that kind of honorable stuff for the nation. So if you’re in my shoes, you step aside. But Tim did agree to the match and has agreed to a future one. He said any time after August 1, I’m there.

He didn’t say it quite as nice as I just said it. There is some heat there. But the bottom line is, yes, that was talked about, and yes I have an opponent, and yes that will happen down the road. And Jonathan, I will whip his ass.

 

Jonathan Snowden covers combat sports for Bleacher Report.

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