New GSP vs. New UFC: Will Former Champ Get Paid What He Wants?

Georges St-Pierre is back!
Well, maybe not so fast.
The former UFC welterweight champion’s road to a comeback took its most interesting turn this week, as St-Pierre appeared on UFC Tonight to proclaim himself fit and ready to return to the Octagon.
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Georges St-Pierre is back!

Well, maybe not so fast.

The former UFC welterweight champion’s road to a comeback took its most interesting turn this week, as St-Pierre appeared on UFC Tonight to proclaim himself fit and ready to return to the Octagon.

GSP asserted that after nearly three years of semi-retirement, he feels better than ever and is performing at the top of his game in training at Tristar Gym in Montreal. The only thing that remains is a financial agreement with the UFC for his return.

“Look, I want to get back; I want to come back,” the 35-year-old St-Pierre told hosts Kenny Florian and Daniel Cormier. “They know the terms that I want, and trust me, I’m very reasonable. So, it’s up to them. My agent tried to reach them, and they’re hard to reach, but I guess they’re going to come back [with an answer] soon. We’ll see.”

Are we on the verge of witnessing the greatest welterweight of all time back in the cage? With changing UFC ownership and a vastly different landscape since St-Pierre walked away near the end of 2013, will the new-look fight company pay him what he wants to return?

Here, Bleacher Report’s Chad Dundas and Mike Chiappetta debate the merits of GSP’s potential comeback and whether the UFC will pony up the dough to make it happen.


Chad Dundas: Mike, there’s a lot to unpack regarding a potential return to the Octagon for St-Pierre. The longtime 170-pound titlist took some time away to get his head together. Now, he’s declared himself ready to roll again, is targeting the UFC’s December 10 event in Toronto and even mentioned current champion Tyron Woodley, Nick Diaz and Demian Maia as potential opponents when pressed by Cormier and Florian.

Yet, it might not be as simple as that. Things haven’t seemed right between St-Pierre and UFC brass ever since UFC President Dana White needlessly ripped into him at the UFC 167 press conference following what was a hard-fought and emotional victory over Johny Hendricks.

Since he’s been out of action, GSP has given off far less of a company-man vibe and has been outspoken about things such as the UFC’s need for increased drug testing—something the company eventually handled by bringing USADA into the fold.

Meanwhile, White has not been complimentary about St-Pierre’s prospects upon his return. The UFC honcho has implied he thinks the French-Canadian phenom doesn’t have it anymore. When confronted on UFC Tonight by the boss’ words, St-Pierre fired back.

“He doesn’t know anything about me,” St-Pierre said of White. “I’m a smart guy. I’m not the kind of guy that you’re going to say that and [I say] ‘OK, I’m going to sign to fight for peanuts.’ I’m a smart person. It doesn’t work—these things—on me. But I’m going to tell something to Dana. Let me fight once, and you’ll see in the first minute of the fight that what you just said is wrong.”

What do you think, Mike? What’s it going to take to get this new GSP and the new UFC on the same page? Can it happen before December 10?

Mike Chiappetta: White is known to say some bizarre things, but I have to admit I was a bit taken aback by the impudence of his recent comments on The Herd (via Fox Sports) that St-Pierre “doesn’t have that drive and that desire that he once had.”

That is an incredibly disrespectful statement to make in the midst of a negotiation.

White may have decision-making powers over the resumption of St-Pierre’s career—which is a separate problem—but he doesn’t get to determine how another man feels. It seems especially egregious given GSP’s role in building the Canadian market while being the consummate professional.

I understand that business is business, but this goes beyond that and is something of a veiled shot. It’s an opinion that, if I’m guessing, is rooted in White’s irrational anger about how St-Pierre walked away after UFC 167. St-Pierre was a building block for the promotion, and he deserves to be treated with a level of respect befitting of a legend.

That said, this is a battle many saw coming. The UFC has never been an organization to make quick concessions in its dealings with talent. Although it is under a new regime, the current public spillover of the GSP negotiations suggests nothing has changed.

On a positive note, St-Pierre’s appearance on UFC Tonight suggests there is still hope for optimism. The promotion maintains quite a bit of control over the production, and if it wanted GSP shut out of appearing, he wouldn’t have been there. Hopefully, it’s a sign they are close enough to a deal to find some common ground.

The Toronto show in December seems like such an obvious pairing that I would be surprised if they aren’t able to strike a deal soon. Could they possibly revisit Canada without a marquee talent on the bill?

Dundas: Especially since UFC 206 is scheduled to go down at the 20,000-seat Air Canada Centre, it feels like his ideal landing spot. If there’s one major reason to believe everyone will eventually come to the table and sign on before that, we all know what it is: money.

There’s no way to overstate how much St-Pierre meant to the UFC during his heyday. According to pay-per-view buyrate estimates from the Wrestling Observer Newsletter (via MMA Payout), we’re talking about a guy who sold 770,000 PPVs for his title defense against Dan Hardy at UFC 111, 785,000 against Josh Koscheck at UFC 124 and 800,000 against Jake Shields at UFC 129.

That’s about 2.36 million PPVs sold during about a 12-month period in 2010-11, all from GSP fights. And that’s just three out of the 13 UFC events where he appeared in championship bouts. For the UFC, if it could get St-Pierre to fight twice in one year, it was like adding an additional PPV to its annual live-event slate.

Think of the millions of dollars in revenue he generated for the company during that time. The UFC would never think of it like this, but you can make an argument the organization owes it to St-Pierre to give him whatever he wants.

If nothing else, this will be an interesting test case for new UFC ownership. This may be the group’s first high-profile, superstar contract negotiation, so it will be telling to see how things progress. Even more so since GSP is a client of the Creative Artists Agency, a major talent company and a chief competitor of WME-IMG, which led the group that recently bought the UFC.

I’d say a deal gets done regardless of that—or of any harsh feelings between St-Pierre and White.

Mike, assuming GSP makes that walk at least one more time, who would you most like to see him take on?

Chiappetta: There’s only one answer: Conor McGregor.

Here’s the deal about GSP: We already know his ceiling. That’s not a question anymore. Even though it would be amazing to see if he can climb the mountain one more time, there’s nothing original to that story.

He already won the title, lost it and won it back. He’s proved his mettle and resiliency. He’s cemented his legacy. There is no need to try to recapture past glories, unless that’s what he wants. But he’s already said that’s not the case.

Instead, he wants to fight “the best, the biggest name,” as he said on The MMA Hour (via MMA Fighting) earlier this year. While Tyron Woodley would be a fine and intriguing matchup—one I wouldn’t object to—can you imagine the attention that GSP vs. Mystic Mac would generate? All-time MMA pay-per-view buyrate record, away you go.

Does it seem possible or even probable? Well, on the surface, no. But then again, St-Pierre has noted that he’d have an easier time cutting to lightweight than he would moving to middleweight. Can you imagine a 160-pound catchweight fight between them? No belts on the line, but it would be a whole lot of fun.

More realistically, a bout with one of the Diaz brothers or Woodley seems the more likely outcome.

To get back to your earlier point about the agency conflict, well, it is something that is bound to continue happening. There’s no easy fix, but this is another situation that shows how helpful it would be to have a fighters’ union or association.

St-Pierre wants to fight, but if both sides dig in their heels, he has no way to force a resolution aside from legal action. That could take years and run out the remainder of his career. Meanwhile, the UFC can say “no” as long as it wants without repercussions. Business is good for it right now, and it doesn’t need him in a financial sense.

St-Pierre has no moves to make except to negotiate from a position of weakness and hope the brass has the decency to meet him somewhere in the middle. The UFC suits are banking on that to draw the terms closer in their direction. It’s not pretty, and it’s not right.

So far, the new regime isn’t showing itself to be any more fighter-friendly than the old one, and the rest of the roster would be wise to take notice.

Dundas: St-Pierre told the guys on UFC Tonight that his return won’t just be a one-off thing. He plans to make another extended run through the promotion’s ranks. If that’s the case and GSP sticks around for a while, it’s hard to think the PPV gold of a fight between him and McGregor would go unmined.

For starters, though, we’re more likely to see him take on Woodley or Nick Diaz. While it would be a bigger hit at the box office, I would feel a little bit let down by the prospect of a Diaz rematch, since St-Pierre trounced him so soundly in their first meeting at UFC 158.

If he were to beat Woodley, however, and recapture the 170-pound title for a third time, it would cement his legacy as the greatest MMA fighter of all time. For that reason alone, I couldn’t argue with such a booking.

Here’s an idea that might be an extreme long shot but one I can’t leave off the page: Imagine a scenario where St-Pierre wins back the welterweight title from Woodley and McGregor defeats Eddie Alvarez for the lightweight strap.

It could be that all those champion vs. champion superfights we missed out on a few years ago might have been setting us up for the real thing. Under those circumstances, a bout between GSP and McGregor wouldn’t just break PPV records; it might send the world spinning off its axis.

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Georges St-Pierre Not Impressed With Dana White’s Comments

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Former welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre returned to UFC-related television Wednesday night with an appearance on “UFC Tonight.”

St-Pierre, who has sparked talk of his return by men…

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Former welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre returned to UFC-related television Wednesday night with an appearance on “UFC Tonight.”

St-Pierre, who has sparked talk of his return by mentioning it in several interviews, discussed recent comments made by UFC president Dana White and the hold up regarding fighting once again.

“He doesn’t know anything about me,” St-Pierre said (thanks to MMA Fighting for the quotes). “I’m a smart guy. I’m not the kind of guy you’re going to say that (about), and okay I’m going to sign right here, I’m going to fight for peanuts. No, I’m a smart person. It doesn’t work, these things on me. But I’m going to tell him something, to Dana, let me fight once and you’ll see in the first minute of the fight that what you just said is wrong.

“Let me fight Tyron Woodley, then we’ll see if I want to be world champion again. I understand what he means, and I’m not angry at Dana. He does what he does for the best of his interests. I do what I do for the best of my interests. One day when all of that is going to be over, we’ll probably be friends, like most of the guys who I’ve fought. But now, it’s like a game. He’s doing his game, I’m doing mine.”

St-Pierre stated that his contract is “old” and that it was made before the Reebok deal. He added that he is “making a lot of money now even though I’m not fighting.”

“Because if I go back and fight I cannot advertise my sponsors, so I’m losing money if I go back to fight on the old terms of my contract,” he said. “So, it’s reasonable. I’m just waiting to so what’s going to happen.”

Dana White: McGregor Won’t Be Stripped, Will Give Up Title If He Doesn’t Defend It Next

As soon as the epic five-round main event at UFC 202 concluded, both Conor McGregor and Nate Diaz — now tied at 1-1 after two fights — seemed quite interested in settling the score with a third fight. In fact, McGregor even insisted that the rubber m…

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As soon as the epic five-round main event at UFC 202 concluded, both Conor McGregor and Nate Diaz — now tied at 1-1 after two fights — seemed quite interested in settling the score with a third fight. In fact, McGregor even insisted that the rubber match would be on his terms and would take place at 155 pounds, not 170, as their previous two were.

UFC President Dana White, however, had a different idea in mind. White insisted that if McGregor didn’t defend his 145-pound title in his next fight against interim champion Jose Aldo, he would be stripped of the belt.

“He’s not gonna get stripped,” White said to NBC Sports Radio. “He’s gonna make a decision. He knows that the Nate Diaz fight isn’t the fight to make right now.”

White continued, noting that while he won’t be stripped of his title, he’s fully aware that he must either defend it or give it up and decide what path he’s going to take his career next.

“He has to either defend his title or give it up and decide what he wants to do next.”

McGregor continued, “Think about this, [Manny] Pacquiao vs. [Floyd] Mayweather, the build up for that fight, everything else. That fight didn’t live up to the hype and I think, more importantly, it left a really bad taste in people’s mouths.”

He continued, “I don’t think that was the case for [the rematch between] Diaz-McGregor. With the amount of people that were pulled in to watch that fight, everybody left satisfied and those are the kind of fights that make you want to come back and watch again.”

Donald Cerrone Challenges Robbie Lawler To NY Shootout

UFC welterweights may now have to deal with the fact a title fight is unlikely in the immediate future. Tyron Woodley seems set on fighting Georges St-Pierre or Nick Diaz, but that might provide some very interesting fights. Although the championship may be tied up, we already know Stephen Thompson is willing to fight again

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UFC welterweights may now have to deal with the fact a title fight is unlikely in the immediate future. Tyron Woodley seems set on fighting Georges St-Pierre or Nick Diaz, but that might provide some very interesting fights. Although the championship may be tied up, we already know Stephen Thompson is willing to fight again if passed over. Yesterday ‘Wonderboy’ called for the winner of Demian Maia vs. Carlos Condit if required.

In the interim, ex-champion Robbie Lawler needs to get back in the saddle. Following the knockout loss to Woodley at UFC 201, ‘Ruthless’ has reportedly called UFC president Dana White. ‘Ruthless’ had squeaked past ‘The Natural Born Killer’ at UFC 195 and was unable to get going against Woodley.

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According to Damon Martin of FOX Sports, the former welterweight champion is calling for a fight ASAP. Obviously the crushing loss to ‘The Chosen One’ has motivated Lawler to get back in the octagon quick.

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Any Takers?

Lawler’s requests have led to another popular veteran answering the call. Yep, Donald Cerrone has offered to fight the former champion at UFC 205. The pay-er-view event will feature the first ever UFC show to be held in New York, at the famed Madison Square Garden no less. ‘Cowboy’ starched Rick Story at UFC 202 for his third straight win, shortly after signing a new eight-fight contract with the promotion.

Although he’d then talked about dropping down to lightweight, the fan friendly Cerrone once again proves he’s willing to fight anyone, anywhere.

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Donald Cerrone vs. Robbie Lawler?

Why not book this fight? The UFC’s debut in New York has a ton of great potential fights, and Lawler vs. Cerrone would be a great seller on the main card. Both guys have proved to be thoroughly entertaining in the past. The November 12 card is yet to have any bouts officially booked.

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Dana White: Georges St-Pierre Shouldn’t Fight Anymore

The Octagon return for former UFC welterweight kingpin Georges St-Pierre has never been closer, as news came this week that ‘Rush’ could return as soon as December’s UFC 206 from Toronto in his home country of Canada. St-Pierre has been teasing a return to mixed martial arts (MMA) for some time now; however, nothing concrete has

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The Octagon return for former UFC welterweight kingpin Georges St-Pierre has never been closer, as news came this week that ‘Rush’ could return as soon as December’s UFC 206 from Toronto in his home country of Canada.

St-Pierre has been teasing a return to mixed martial arts (MMA) for some time now; however, nothing concrete has yet to surface indicating that the return is officially in the books. While the former 170-pound champ has a plethora of supporters across the world, one man who is not on the ‘GSP’ support team is UFC President Dana White.

In a recent appearance on ‘The Herd’ on Thursday courtesy of FOX Sports, White admitted that he just doesn’t believe ‘GSP’ possesses the ‘drive and that desire that he once had’ to be the best in the combat sports world.

“I don’t care how big you are or how much money you make or how much money you bring into the company — if you don’t want to fight anymore, you shouldn’t fight anymore. This is a sport you’re all in, you can’t be wishy-washy.

“That’s why when people talk about, ‘Oh, Georges St-Pierre’s coming back; Georges St-Pierre doesn’t have that ‘I want to be a world champion’ attitude anymore.
“He doesn’t have that drive and that desire that he once had. And if you don’t have that, no, you shouldn’t fight.”
GSP ConditThe UFC President clearly doesn’t have the confidence that his former top pay-per-view (PPV) draw will once again reign as the undisputed pound-for-pound best mixed martial artist in the world like he once did, but we may get the opportunity to find out if White’s views are in fact correct if St-Pierre decides to step into the Octagon at UFC 206 in his native Canada.
What are your thoughts? Do you agree with White’s statements that ‘GSP’ will return ‘wishy-washy’? Or will the Canadian phenom return just as dominant a force as he was when he left nearly three years ago?

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UFC on FOX: Winning Ugly, Losing Pretty, and What It Gets You in the End

In this life you get out what you put in, right? That seems like Day One karmic thought.
If you’re willing to put in work, you’ll get results. As you get results, you’ll see opportunities increase and positive outcomes will flow from …

In this life you get out what you put in, right? That seems like Day One karmic thought.

If you’re willing to put in work, you’ll get results. As you get results, you’ll see opportunities increase and positive outcomes will flow from that until you’re on top of the world in all the manners you seek.

If you agree with that notion, take a look at UFC on FOX 21 and reconsider. The top of that card cares not for your understandings of karma or of balancing work and rewards.

In the main event, Demain Maia, he of the late-career resurgence built on mauling people with unmatched jiu-jitsu prowess, will battle Carlos Condit in a fight that might guarantee a title shot, but might not.

Maia has been out there for years now hitting takedowns, controlling, choking and squeezing until people’s faces explode. His success has been amassed with very little resistance, to the tune of five straight wins and an 8-2 run at welterweight dating back to 2012.

But no one’s really paying attention. At least no one who matters, like Dana White or Joe Silva.

Maia is respected but not beloved for his approach, largely because it’s technical and masterful but rarely enthralling to an untrained eye. A casual fan sees a mild Brazilian hugging an opponent and dragging him to the mat, dominating him positionally on the way to a decision or submission, and it simply doesn’t resonate the way a Robbie Lawler head kick or a Nick Diaz punching flurry does.

The result is that Maia hasn’t lost since early 2014 but doesn’t seem to be any closer to a title fight now than he was when he dropped to welterweight in the first place. Everyone knows what he’s doing is remarkable, but no one cares enough to push him into a championship chase.

Contrast that against the work of co-main eventer Anthony Pettis, who fights Charles Oliveira shortly before Maia hits the cage. Pettis is dropping a weight class after losing three straight fights at 155 pounds, where he was once champion. As recently as 2014 Pettis looked unbeatable. He plugged ample holes in his wrestling game to provide for a safe space in which his flashy striking could be maximally effective.

At least that’s what it looked like.

His second title defense, against Rafael dos Anjos, revealed a harsh truth about Pettis in the form of his distaste for the utter grind of it all. Dos Anjos mauled him, wrestling him against the cage and wearing him down to a nub before taking his title in a fairly shocking unanimous decision.

Not long after, Eddie Alvarez replicated the plan to beat Pettis. Then Edson Barboza simply outgunned him in a standup battle, something no one ever thought would happen to him, sending him toppling into irrelevance and a new weight class.

But here he is right alongside Maia at the top of a pretty solid Fox card, despite not matching up even remotely in terms of his recent merits.

It all makes one wonder about the idea of winning and losing in the UFC and what it provides a fighter at the end of the day. Is the sport at a point where winning ugly is not that much better than losing pretty, if it’s better at all? Does entertainment really supersede sport for the UFC?

Probably so.

It’s not any secret that the promotion exists to make money. After all, this is an entity that’s given you a pointless Nate Diaz/Conor McGregor rematch and a steroid-exempted Brock Lesnar in the past six weeks; anyone still crying meritocracy after that can ask Tyron Woodley how played out that whole notion is for more.

Yet in a situation such as UFC on FOX 21, where the stakes aren’t so big, the money to be made is not so far beyond ignoring and where Maia has so bluntly earned his placement at the top of the card while Pettis has so bluntly floundered his way to similar exposure, is it not a little disheartening to see these two treated with the same pomp and circumstance?

Also probably so.

This isn’t an indictment of the UFC’s matchmaking policies, because this isn’t even in the top-100 most egregious choices they’ve ever made. It’s not to discredit Pettis, a great talent with Wheaties box good looks and championship skills that have simply gone AWOL for the past few fights.

It’s just to draw some attention to the relative absurdity of the game at times, where a man who has been utterly unstoppable for years and has really only ever lost against the elite of the elite is talked about in the same vein as a man who isn’t yet 30 and has already been repeatedly exposed to the point that a weight class reinvention was needed.

MMA is a weird sport, and it definitely does not much care for your understandings of karma, work and rewards. You’ll see that much on the marquee in Vancouver this weekend.

 

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