UFC: Analysis of the Miguel Torres ‘Rape Van’ Tweet and Firing by Dana White

Let me preface this by letting everyone know I do not condone rape. I do not condone pedophilia. I do not condone domestic violence or violence against women of any kind. No man should force himself upon any other person, nor should a woman. With that…

Let me preface this by letting everyone know I do not condone rape. I do not condone pedophilia. I do not condone domestic violence or violence against women of any kind. No man should force himself upon any other person, nor should a woman.

With that said, let us delve into the Miguel Torres “rape van” issue.

“If a rape van was called a surprise van, more women wouldn’t mind going for rides in them. Everyone likes surprises.” This is the tweet made by Torres that has UFC brass, namely Dana White, so up in arms.

This tweet was enough to force Dana White, president of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, to cut bantamweight contender and former WEC titlist Miguel Torres from the roster immediately.

“Miguel Torres has been cut from the UFC and his career with us now is over,” White stated in an interview with SI.com.

This all comes in the wake of two very similar and equally politically incorrect statements made by former UFC light heavyweight champion Forrest Griffin and former light heavyweight champ Rashad Evans. Both are winners of The Ultimate Fighter.

On Nov. 8, Griffin tweeted, “rape is the new missionary.”

The tweet, of course, came with it’s due backlash, causing Forrest Griffin to put himself on “Twitter restriction” as well as going to the Rape Crisis Center in the area to explain himself and make up for his comment.

In an interview with Ariel Helwani, Dana White talks about Griffin’s explanation that, while flipping through channels, all he saw on television were different stories of rape occurrences, prompting Forrest to make the comment.

This, for me, is easy to live with. It was a poorly constructed attempt at satirizing the fact that far more rapes are being exposed and/or exploited by television and news outlets than ever before.

The intent was not to offend, but to be more of a social commentary; however, a clear failure of the task.

What makes this entire issue dumbfounding is Rashad Evans’ comments directed at Phil Davis during a press conference for their upcoming main-event bout on “UFC on Fox 2.”

At the presser for the January 28 event, Davis made a comment about current light heavyweight title holder, and former Evans training partner, Jon Jones’ statement that Rashad Evans “doesn’t have a chin.” This was Rashad’s response;

“You’re going to have to find out for yourself. I bet you won’t be able to put your hands on me, though. I bet you’ll be the first one to take a shot. I guarantee you’ll be the first one to take a shot, ‘cause I’m going to put those hands on you worse than that dude did to them other kids at Penn State.”

This statement is in reference to the alleged pedophilia perpetrated by Jerry Sandusky, former assistant football coach at Penn State, where Phil Davis attended and was a champion wrestler.

According to Dana White, Evans’s explanation was that it was “in the heat of the moment” and that Evans was trying to get under the skin of Phil Davis by knocking Davis and his school at the same time.

In the interview with SI.com, White said, “…so we talked on the phone, he gave me his explanation, he said, ‘I’ll do whatever it takes, I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to offend anybody. In the heat of the moment, that’s what I said to him because he’s from Penn State.’”

This holds absolutely no credence. Evans is sitting at a crucial press event promoting a main event on a card to be aired live on Fox and is basically saying “I’m going to do things worse than Jerry Sandusky.”

How is there any way to justify any part of Rashad Evans comments? How does Rashad’s realization that he was wrong bar him from ANY consequence for a comment as tasteless, insensitive and downright stupid as the comment made towards Phil Davis?

Apparently, Miguel Torres’s real mistake was explaining that it was just a joke. A joke that came from Season 4, Episode 2 “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia,” which is a staple show on FX, a company parented by Fox.

That is correct, the Fox network that just inked a huge seven year deal with the UFC. FX, being the daughter company of Fox, will be, going forward, airing The Ultimate Fighter.

This was tweeted by Matt Erickson of MMAfighting.com, “Just spoke to @MiguelTorresMMA via text. He assures me he was quoting from “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia” and was watching it at time.”

            After his firing, Torres released this statement on his website;

“I have a lot to be thankful for in my life, I have my beautiful wife and daughter, my family, my health, my gym, and in terms of my career, I succeeded to the biggest stage in the sport of mixed martial arts, the Ultimate Fighting Championship. 

“I am very sorry for upsetting my bosses at the UFC, and also to my fans and everyone else who was upset by the language in my tweets.  I understand it was wrong, and I meant no harm or disrespect.  Given the chance, I will do whatever it takes to make things right. I am going to learn from this.

“I think life throws you opportunities that can make you a better person, and so that’s what I’m going to do here. That is how I am going to react. I am going to use this to improve myself, and I hope that my fans will continue to support me.”

So, at a press conference, Rashad Evans can threaten to touch a man in a way that is worse than an alleged pedophile, but Miguel Torres cannot reference a show on a network that has a large contract with the company he works for? Excuse me, worked for.

Let us ignore the blatant hypocrisy in all this.

Dana White says that he handles everyone on a “case-by-case” basis. Well, those cases are full of money, and Rashad’s case has a lot more vested in it than that of Miguel Torres.

Rashad Evans is the headliner for the first UFC on Fox event officially within the new deal. Rashad Evans is a TUF winner. Rashad Evans is a big draw and polarizing figure that everyone wants to see finally face Jon Jones, so long as they both win their upcoming bouts.

Of course, Rashad Evans is not getting fired. And to fine him and make a big deal about it publicly will hurt numbers; it would hurt the bottom line.

In fiscal comparison, who is Miguel Torres?

Miguel Torres is expendable, that’s who. And I think that is b@!%$#!t…at least, the man apologized!!

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Dana White Explains His Decision Over Releasing Miguel Torres

Rape is certainly no laughing matter.Unfortunately, Miguel Torres had to learn the hard way. The former WEC bantamweight champion was released from the UFC on Thursday after “jokingly” posting a comment pertaining to rape on his Twitter.”If a rape van …

Rape is certainly no laughing matter.

Unfortunately, Miguel Torres had to learn the hard way. The former WEC bantamweight champion was released from the UFC on Thursday after “jokingly” posting a comment pertaining to rape on his Twitter.

“If a rape van was called a surprise van, more women wouldn’t mind going for rides in them. Everyone like surprises,” Torres posted.

Torres tried to rectify the situation by changing the word “rape” to “windowless,” but the damage had already been done.

UFC President Dana White made the decision to release the legendary bantamweight from his UFC contract.

“It wasn’t that I thought this was offensive. I thought it was absolutely ridiculous and stupid, and yeah, I’m sure offensive to many people,” White told Ariel Helwani of MMAFighting.com. “That’s not a funny joke to me. It’s just not something you tweet. If that’s your sense of humor, keep it at home around your buddies and yourself.”

While Torres is the only fighter to be fired after making such comments, former light heavyweight champions Rashad Evans and Forrest Griffin have also come under heat for making light of rape.

At a pre-fight press conference for UFC on Fox 2, Evans went for the juggler in a heated exchange with rising light heavyweight Phil Davis, an alumni of Penn State.

“I guarantee you’re going to be the first one to take a shot because I’m going to put those hands on you worse than that dude did to them other kids at Penn State,” Evans stated.

In November, a controversial comment posted on Twitter left Griffin in hot water as well.

“Rape is the new missionary,” posted Griffin.

With similar instances involving major UFC superstars, why was Torres the only fighter released? Is there some form of meter that determines what comments are more offensive?

“We don’t come out in the UFC with these canned statements that are written by our lawyers. We handle everything on a case by case basis with the idea that people are gonna make mistakes, and it’s how you handle yourself after you make a mistake,” said White.

Griffin’s comment pertained to the media’s obsession with a plethora of rape incidents including the case of Jerry Sandusky, a former assistant coach at Penn State charged with child molestation.

In Evans’ case, his comments were directed at Davis, an upcoming opponent with a connection to Penn State.

Torres’ tweet came out of left field, and so far, his only explanation is that the comment was meant as a joke. It was certainly an outlandish comment that deserved some form of discipline, but did Torres deserve to lose his job?

The MMA community has lit up over the past 24 hours with passionate fans lashing out at the UFC and concocting petitions to bring back Torres. Despite the pleas of fans, White isn’t budging in his stance. The UFC has always done business a certain way, and a few petitions won’t change White’s business philosophy.

“I don’t give a (expletive) what people think. I really don’t. If you haven’t figured that out in the last 10 years, then you’re pretty thick headed,” White said.

“The bottom line is nobody is going to persuade me, and nobody is going to pressure me into attacking my own guys and going after my guys because I feel like it’s what should be done. I’m going to handle this thing the way that I want to. I’m not going to be pressured by the media, by the fans or anybody else to go in and attack my guys when they make a mistake.”

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And Now He’s Fired: Miguel Torres Cut by UFC After One Rape Joke Too Many


(Torres following his unanimous decision loss to social media. / Photo via ESPN)

Miguel Torres — former undisputed WEC bantamweight champion and die-hard fan of rape jokes — has been released by the UFC. Dana White confirmed the firing yesterday evening, telling SI.com, “his career with us now is over.”

The reason for Torres’s release was a tweet that reportedly read, “If a rape van was called a surprise van, more women wouldn’t mind going for rides in them. Everyone likes surprises.” Torres later removed the tweet and replaced it with an edited version. White was informed of the tweet second-hand by Michael Landsberg and made the decision to fire Torres shortly after.

So why is Torres being made an example of, when Forrest Griffin and Rashad Evans made similar off-color statements recently? Basically, it’s because he didn’t have a good enough explanation.


(Torres following his unanimous decision loss to social media. / Photo via ESPN)

Miguel Torres — former undisputed WEC bantamweight champion and die-hard fan of rape jokes — has been released by the UFC. Dana White confirmed the firing yesterday evening, telling SI.com, “his career with us now is over.”

The reason for Torres’s release was a tweet that reportedly read, “If a rape van was called a surprise van, more women wouldn’t mind going for rides in them. Everyone likes surprises.” Torres later removed the tweet and replaced it with an edited version. White was informed of the tweet second-hand by Michael Landsberg and made the decision to fire Torres shortly after.

So why is Torres being made an example of, when Forrest Griffin and Rashad Evans made similar off-color statements recently? Basically, it’s because he didn’t have a good enough explanation.

As Dana White tells Ariel Helwani in a video interview released last night, Griffin explained to him that his “rape is the new missionary” tweet was intended to be a commentary on the prevalence of sex crime coverage on television, while Rashad’s Jerry Sandusky reference was an attempted dig at Phil Davis’s alma mater gone too far. (Dana claims he couldn’t hear the line during the press conference because the microphones were going in and out, though he laughed anyways.)

The problem with Torres’s “rape van” tweet was that it had no other purpose, context, or explanation, other than allegedly being a quote from either It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia or Workaholics. Said Dana: “That’s not a funny joke to me. That’s just not something you tweet. If that’s your sense of humor, keep it at home around you and your buddies and keep it to yourself. It’s not something that you put out on twitter. And there’s no explanation for it. I can’t make any sense of it. And enough is enough. When you’re getting ready to twitter, or you’re getting ready to say something, think about what you’re gonna say, think about what you’re gonna tweet, and use a little common sense…that tweet makes no sense, and the fact that you say it was a joke bothers me even more.”

White goes on to explain that this is the first thing that Miguel Torres has done to offend him — he considers Torres a good guy and a great champion otherwise — and he would have been fired even if this situation didn’t occur on the heels of the Forrest Griffin and Rashad Evans controversies. (For the record, Rashad won’t receive any punishment for his own tasteless joke.)

Torres isn’t the first fighter to be fired by the UFC due to an Internet posting. I mean shit, we were just talking about War Machine. But now that every other UFC fighter is trying to be a part-time comedian in order to nab a Twitter performance bonus, a new message needed to be sent: Use your head, because the world is watching.

What’s Missing From UFC’s Response to Miguel Torres, Rashad Evans? Consistency

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Miguel TorresHere’s a question that became very important, yet difficult to answer this week: If you’re a UFC fighter living in this wild world of social media, how do you know when you’ve crossed the line between edgy and irredeemably offensive? Better yet, how do you know when crossing that line will get you chewed out by your boss, and how do you know when you’ve committed an offense so egregious that it’s cause for termination?

Answer: You don’t. Not until it’s too late. Not until your fate is already sealed. And that, whether you think of yourself as a shockingly clever Twitter comedian or a press conference trash-talk specialist, is a problem.

It’s a problem for fighters, and it’s a problem for the UFC. It’s also a problem that has a solution, if the UFC cares enough about fairness and clarity to implement it.

As you probably know by now, two UFC fighters made the issue of sexual assault into fodder for their own attempts at entertainment this week, but with very different repercussions.

At a UFC on FOX press conference earlier this week, light heavyweight Rashad Evans referenced the Penn State sex abuse scandal when trying to zing former Nittany Lions wrestler Phil Davis. Meanwhile on Twitter, bantamweight Miguel Torres joked about “rape vans,” suggesting that if they were renamed “surprise vans,” maybe people would be more likely to ride in them.

Go out on the street and present these two cases to strangers who know nothing about the world of the UFC. See if they can guess which guy got fired, and which got off with just a stern talking to. I’ll bet you a six-pack of your finest domestic ale that more people guess wrong than right.

And honestly, who could blame them? At the risk of getting into the nebulous business of doling out offensiveness points for each remark, I feel pretty confident asserting that what Evans said was far worse than what Torres tweeted. Evans took a real situation, involving real, living children who have suffered through an unimaginable nightmare (here we insert that useful qualifier allegedly), and made light of it for the purposes of insulting a future opponent.

Torres? His tweet similarly made light of sexual assault, but at least he wasn’t using a specific incident involving living people as his springboard to comedy. At least he was dealing more in the abstract, and at least he didn’t say it while trying to promote a fight being broadcast by the UFC’s new network TV partner.

But really, that’s splitting hairs. Both guys messed up. Both should have known better, especially after Forrest Griffin made headlines with the exact same mistake very recently. But the consequences for Evans and for Torres were so bafflingly different, it’s hard to call it anything other than open hypocrisy on the UFC’s part.

UFC president Dana White told our own Ariel Helwani that he likes to decide these things on a case-by-case basis. He talks to the parties involved (or, in the case of Torres, has someone else talk to him and report back), asks them to explain just what in the hell was going on in their heads when they made these remarks, then decides on how to deal with them.

In the case of Evans, the explanation was that he got carried away trying to burn a college rival for the entertainment of others. This, apparently, was good enough. He got a lecture from White, and that was that.

In the case of Torres, he was trying to be funny. As anyone who follows his Twitter already knows, it’s something he strives for often, and he probably hits more than he misses. This time he missed, and it cost him his job. Could he have possibly known beforehand that this tweet would get him fired? Not really. He should have known that it might get him in trouble, that it was a bad idea and a pretty tasteless attempt at humor, but there was no precedent to suggest that a UFC fighter might lose his job for joking about sexual assault. Those jokes had happened already, but the firings hadn’t.

That’s the problem with the whole case-by-case basis method, as presented by White. Fighters are put in the position not of figuring out what’s right and wrong, or what’s a good idea and what’s a bad one. No, they just have to figure out how the boss is going to react, and that seems largely dependent on who they are and what they mean to the company.

Don’t believe me? Imagine for a moment that Brock Lesnar had sent out the exact same tweet as Torres. You think he’d be headed back to the WWE with his pink slip in his enormous hands right now? Not a chance. He’d have gotten a phone call from White and a slap on his enormous wrists, and that would have been that.

But Torres? He sends out a tweet that Michael Landsberg uses to surprise and embarrass White with on Canadian TV, and on the week of an event in Toronto? Screw him. He’s done.

Not only is that not fair, it doesn’t even serve the desired purpose. It doesn’t make UFC fighters in general more sensitive to what might offend others. It just makes them perform an internal calculus to assess their own standing and value to the UFC before they determine what they can get away with.

This is only part of the reason why the UFC needs a clear, consistent code of conduct for its fighters. It needs some formal policy that not only tells fighters in plain English (or Portuguese or Japanese or French, etc.) what not to do before they do it, but also what’s gong to happen to them if they do it anyway.

The UFC needs this not just for tweets and jokes and public comments, but also for more serious issues like drug abuse and criminal offenses. Anybody remember Vinicius Quieroz? He’s the Brazilian fighter who was released after one fight when the UFC’s independent drug tests nabbed him for steroid use. Meanwhile, Chris Leben tested positive for the same exact steroid on a different fight card, then tested positive for prescription painkillers Oxycodone and Oxymorphone in his most recent outing, and he got off with suspension in both cases.

That’s what you call a double standard. When two UFC employees can commit the same offenses and receive different punishments, it tells everyone — fans, fighters, media, sponsors — that this is not a level playing field. All are not equal in the UFC’s commonwealth. Some guys can be jerks and get away with it, while others get fired.

It’s not just a question of forcing the UFC to slap all the wrists equally. When White says he doesn’t see the point of reading some canned statement written by a lawyer just to mollify critics, he makes a good point. That wouldn’t accomplish much, and it would clearly be an empty gesture designed solely to get people off his back.

But neither does it help to apply a hazy standard of decency unevenly after the fact. If no one knows for sure what’s permitted and what isn’t, some people are bound to mess up without realizing what they’ve done. As of now, UFC fighters have no way to determine how the UFC will punish them, or even if it will punish them at all.

That’s not fair to the guys like Torres, who got made an example of even after previous examples got away with almost the exact same thing. It’s also not helpful to guys like Griffin or Evans, who have essentially learned that they can get away with the kind of stuff that will get the Miguel Torreses of the UFC world fired.

That’s why the UFC needs a code of conduct that spells out which infractions will result in which punishments. It needs to let fighters know where the line is before they’ve crossed it. It needs to let fans know that it’s serious about making sure fighters conduct themselves like professionals, and not just with smacking them around after the fact, with the force and severity of the blows dependent on how many pay-per-views they sell. It needs a little consistency and a little fairness. The sooner it institutes such a policy, the sooner it can stop some of this stuff before it starts.

 

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Miguel TorresHere’s a question that became very important, yet difficult to answer this week: If you’re a UFC fighter living in this wild world of social media, how do you know when you’ve crossed the line between edgy and irredeemably offensive? Better yet, how do you know when crossing that line will get you chewed out by your boss, and how do you know when you’ve committed an offense so egregious that it’s cause for termination?

Answer: You don’t. Not until it’s too late. Not until your fate is already sealed. And that, whether you think of yourself as a shockingly clever Twitter comedian or a press conference trash-talk specialist, is a problem.

It’s a problem for fighters, and it’s a problem for the UFC. It’s also a problem that has a solution, if the UFC cares enough about fairness and clarity to implement it.

As you probably know by now, two UFC fighters made the issue of sexual assault into fodder for their own attempts at entertainment this week, but with very different repercussions.

At a UFC on FOX press conference earlier this week, light heavyweight Rashad Evans referenced the Penn State sex abuse scandal when trying to zing former Nittany Lions wrestler Phil Davis. Meanwhile on Twitter, bantamweight Miguel Torres joked about “rape vans,” suggesting that if they were renamed “surprise vans,” maybe people would be more likely to ride in them.

Go out on the street and present these two cases to strangers who know nothing about the world of the UFC. See if they can guess which guy got fired, and which got off with just a stern talking to. I’ll bet you a six-pack of your finest domestic ale that more people guess wrong than right.

And honestly, who could blame them? At the risk of getting into the nebulous business of doling out offensiveness points for each remark, I feel pretty confident asserting that what Evans said was far worse than what Torres tweeted. Evans took a real situation, involving real, living children who have suffered through an unimaginable nightmare (here we insert that useful qualifier allegedly), and made light of it for the purposes of insulting a future opponent.

Torres? His tweet similarly made light of sexual assault, but at least he wasn’t using a specific incident involving living people as his springboard to comedy. At least he was dealing more in the abstract, and at least he didn’t say it while trying to promote a fight being broadcast by the UFC’s new network TV partner.

But really, that’s splitting hairs. Both guys messed up. Both should have known better, especially after Forrest Griffin made headlines with the exact same mistake very recently. But the consequences for Evans and for Torres were so bafflingly different, it’s hard to call it anything other than open hypocrisy on the UFC’s part.

UFC president Dana White told our own Ariel Helwani that he likes to decide these things on a case-by-case basis. He talks to the parties involved (or, in the case of Torres, has someone else talk to him and report back), asks them to explain just what in the hell was going on in their heads when they made these remarks, then decides on how to deal with them.


In the case of Evans, the explanation was that he got carried away trying to burn a college rival for the entertainment of others. This, apparently, was good enough. He got a lecture from White, and that was that.

In the case of Torres, he was trying to be funny. As anyone who follows his Twitter already knows, it’s something he strives for often, and he probably hits more than he misses. This time he missed, and it cost him his job. Could he have possibly known beforehand that this tweet would get him fired? Not really. He should have known that it might get him in trouble, that it was a bad idea and a pretty tasteless attempt at humor, but there was no precedent to suggest that a UFC fighter might lose his job for joking about sexual assault. Those jokes had happened already, but the firings hadn’t.

That’s the problem with the whole case-by-case basis method, as presented by White. Fighters are put in the position not of figuring out what’s right and wrong, or what’s a good idea and what’s a bad one. No, they just have to figure out how the boss is going to react, and that seems largely dependent on who they are and what they mean to the company.

Don’t believe me? Imagine for a moment that Brock Lesnar had sent out the exact same tweet as Torres. You think he’d be headed back to the WWE with his pink slip in his enormous hands right now? Not a chance. He’d have gotten a phone call from White and a slap on his enormous wrists, and that would have been that.

But Torres? He sends out a tweet that Michael Landsberg uses to surprise and embarrass White with on Canadian TV, and on the week of an event in Toronto? Screw him. He’s done.

Not only is that not fair, it doesn’t even serve the desired purpose. It doesn’t make UFC fighters in general more sensitive to what might offend others. It just makes them perform an internal calculus to assess their own standing and value to the UFC before they determine what they can get away with.

This is only part of the reason why the UFC needs a clear, consistent code of conduct for its fighters. It needs some formal policy that not only tells fighters in plain English (or Portuguese or Japanese or French, etc.) what not to do before they do it, but also what’s gong to happen to them if they do it anyway.

The UFC needs this not just for tweets and jokes and public comments, but also for more serious issues like drug abuse and criminal offenses. Anybody remember Vinicius Quieroz? He’s the Brazilian fighter who was released after one fight when the UFC’s independent drug tests nabbed him for steroid use. Meanwhile, Chris Leben tested positive for the same exact steroid on a different fight card, then tested positive for prescription painkillers Oxycodone and Oxymorphone in his most recent outing, and he got off with suspension in both cases.

That’s what you call a double standard. When two UFC employees can commit the same offenses and receive different punishments, it tells everyone — fans, fighters, media, sponsors — that this is not a level playing field. All are not equal in the UFC’s commonwealth. Some guys can be jerks and get away with it, while others get fired.

It’s not just a question of forcing the UFC to slap all the wrists equally. When White says he doesn’t see the point of reading some canned statement written by a lawyer just to mollify critics, he makes a good point. That wouldn’t accomplish much, and it would clearly be an empty gesture designed solely to get people off his back.

But neither does it help to apply a hazy standard of decency unevenly after the fact. If no one knows for sure what’s permitted and what isn’t, some people are bound to mess up without realizing what they’ve done. As of now, UFC fighters have no way to determine how the UFC will punish them, or even if it will punish them at all.

That’s not fair to the guys like Torres, who got made an example of even after previous examples got away with almost the exact same thing. It’s also not helpful to guys like Griffin or Evans, who have essentially learned that they can get away with the kind of stuff that will get the Miguel Torreses of the UFC world fired.

That’s why the UFC needs a code of conduct that spells out which infractions will result in which punishments. It needs to let fighters know where the line is before they’ve crossed it. It needs to let fans know that it’s serious about making sure fighters conduct themselves like professionals, and not just with smacking them around after the fact, with the force and severity of the blows dependent on how many pay-per-views they sell. It needs a little consistency and a little fairness. The sooner it institutes such a policy, the sooner it can stop some of this stuff before it starts.

 

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Tito Ortiz Ready to Retire, Seeks Final Redemption in Forrest Griffin Rubber Match

Tito Ortiz announced he has 2 fights left in him, which includes his match-up this Saturday with Antonio “Lil Nog” Rogerio Nogueira. The last fight Ortiz would like is a rubber match with Forrest Griffin..

Tito Ortiz announced he has 2 fights left in him, which includes his match-up this Saturday with Antonio “Lil Nog” Rogerio Nogueira. The last fight Ortiz would like is a rubber match with Forrest Griffin. Ortiz told MMA Weekly:

“I think me and Forrest Griffin, we got some unfinished business, just because they gave him the last fight and I thought that was BS. That really annoys me a lot about it. But, of course, Rich Franklin calls me out, it’s like take a number dude. Stand in line with the rest of the people that’ve been calling me out. Everybody wants to get famous by fighting Tito Ortiz and I think the people who really deserve it are people who already fought me or are fighting for a title.”

Of course, many fans these days question the heart of Forrest Griffin when it comes to the sport as he very openly admitted he was no longer evolving as a fighter, leading up to his almost expected loss to Mauricio “Shogun” Rua at UFC 134. Griffin said in his blog:

It quit being fun when I realized I wasn’t getting better. I’m plateauing or almost getting worse sometimes. One of the essential elements to have in this is your perceived expectation of the future, and I’m a painful realist, so I realized that I’m not going to get better; this is it. It’s only gonna get worse from here on and you fight as much as you can, you fight until you don’t have it anymore, and then you fight a couple more times after that.”

Maybe Griffin’s words are echoing sentiments of Tito Ortiz right now. Regardless of current or passing frames of mind, both of these fighters have held titles and bolstered the sport and the UFC above and beyond their call of duty. Give respect to both men and here’s to an epic trilogy, I hope we get to see.

See Tito’s full interview with MMA Weekly below:

MMA Top 10 Light Heavyweights: How High Does Dan Henderson Go?

Filed under: UFC, Rankings, Light HeavyweightsOther than Jon Jones, no light heavyweight in mixed martial arts has been more impressive than Dan Henderson in the last 12 months.

Henderson brutally knocked out Renato “Babalu” Sobral in December, won th…

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Other than Jon Jones, no light heavyweight in mixed martial arts has been more impressive than Dan Henderson in the last 12 months.

Henderson brutally knocked out Renato “Babalu” Sobral in December, won the Strikeforce light heavyweight title with a TKO over Rafael “Feijao” Cavalcante in March, took another TKO victory over Fedor Emelianenko in July as a light heavyweight fighting against a heavyweight, and then beat Shogun Rua in an all-time classic at UFC 139.

So where does that put Henderson? He’s certainly in our light heavyweight Top 5, but it’s still tough to justify Henderson going higher than fifth. Henderson did, after all, lose to Rampage Jackson, who lost to Rashad Evans, who lost to Lyoto Machida (who also lost to Rampage). The light heavyweight division has been so competitive for so long, with so many of the top fighters picking each other off, that after Jones, any of the next five guys could easily be put in any order. My order is below.

Top 10 Light Heavyweights in MMA

(Editor’s note: The fighter’s ranking the last time we did light heavyweights are in parentheses).

1. Jon Jones (1): The light heavyweight champion has easily separated himself from the pack, with two dominant wins over two other Top 10 light heavyweights, Shogun Rua and Rampage Jackson. Jones will try to make it three dominant wins over three other Top 10 light heavyweights when he takes on Lyoto Machida on December 10 at UFC 140.

2. Rashad Evans (2): Evans is a tough one to rank because he’s been so inactive of late: He’s only fought three times in the last two and a half years. But he’s been impressive in all three of those fights, beating Tito Ortiz, Rampage Jackson and Thiago Silva, and he has earned the light heavyweight title shot that he’ll supposedly get whenever he and Jones are healthy and able to fight at the same time.

3. Lyoto Machida (4): Machida is a tough one to rank: Should he be below Evans, even though he brutally beat Evans? Should he be above Rampage and Shogun, even though both of them beat him? There’s really no fair way to rank them, since Evans, Machida and Jackson all went 1-1 in their fights against each other. Machida will get a chance to show where he belongs in the light heavyweight division when he takes on Jones.

4. Rampage Jackson (5): Jackson has fought all the best of the best in the light heavyweight division, beating Machida and Henderson in the UFC, and losing to Jones, Evans and Forrest Griffin in the UFC and Shogun in Pride. It’s impossible not to put Rampage behind someone he’s beaten and above someone he’s lost to, but given the totality of his career No. 4 sounds about right.

5. Dan Henderson (6): As great as Henderson has looked in the last year, I can’t rank him ahead of Rampage, given what happened when Rampage and Henderson fought. I’d sure love to see a rematch of that one, though.

6. Mauricio “Shogun” Rua (3): Shogun is only 2-3 in his last five fights, but it’s about as impressive a 2-3 record as a light heavyweight could possibly have: The two wins were brutal first-round knockouts of Machida and Griffin, while the three losses were close decisions against Machida and Henderson, and a loss to Jones in which he admittedly looked bad — but then again Jones makes everyone look bad.

7. Forrest Griffin (7): The biggest question about Griffin is whether, at age 32 and having a wife and kid, he’s still interested in completely committing himself to MMA. When Griffin is on, he’s good enough to beat high-quality opponents like Rich Franklin, Rampage and Shogun. He looked decidedly off in his rematch loss to Shogun in August, however.

8. Rafael Cavalcante (8): Feijao bounced back from his loss to Henderson and beat Yoel Romero Palacio in September, and now would be a good time to see him in the UFC, where there are a lot more good fights for him.

9. Phil Davis (9): The 9-0 Davis was pulled from a fight with Evans in August because of a knee injury, and there’s still no word on when he’ll be ready to return. A former NCAA wrestling champion, Davis is one of the most talented athletes in the light heavyweight division, and he’ll be fighting for the belt eventually.

10. Thiago Silva (10): I’ve been waiting for someone to step up and take the bottom spot in the Top 10 from Silva, who’s been suspended all year for taking performance-enhancing drugs. But no one has really been able to do that, and so Silva stays. He should return early in 2012.

 

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