Would Cris Cyborg Be Competitive in the Male Featherweight Division?

Once again Cris Cyborg’s dominant victory inside the Octagon has gotten us debating, this time with one of the more controversial issues yet. Our writers Jonathan Salmon and Lionel Harris-Spence tackle the issue of what Cyborg’s chances would be against male featherweights.

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Once again Cris Cyborg’s dominant victory inside the Octagon has gotten us debating, this time with one of the more controversial issues yet. Our writers Jonathan Salmon and Lionel Harris-Spence tackle the issue of what Cyborg’s chances would be against male featherweights.

Jonathan Salmon: So this is one of our first one of these on Cage Potato and I’ve got a fairly interesting, fairly controversial topic to discuss. Just how the hell would Cris Cyborg do against high level male featherweight opposition? Granted, it’s a controversial issue, particularly in terms of male violence against women. But this is purely hypothetical, so if anyone is taking offense, then just simmer down and take a moment to consider what I’m talking about here.

 

I think that Cyborg has some pretty terrifying skills that would and should give any opponent some pause, man or woman. Sure, for the most part that’s not going to be true in other male versus female scenarios. If Ronda Rousey were to fight Dominick Cruz, I’ll be picking the “The Dominator” all day. But Cris Cyborg is a a completely different beast, and I say that with all due respect. If she were to contend with some of the male featherweight top fifteen, I’m sure we’d see some surprising results.

 

Lionel Harris-Spence: While I agree Cris Cyborg does have some pretty terrifying skills, and she’s an absolute beast in the women’s division, but if you put her in the land of beasts, she’ll be average, at best. Ultimately I feel Cyborg is a big fish in a small pond, and the strength advantages she has against most ladies would be neutralized if not bested in the men’s division. If you think she’s walking through Jose Aldo’s leg kicks like she did with Lina Lansberg, you’re sadly mistaken.

 

JS: Well, no one is walking through a Jose Aldo leg kick unscathed. But to me, it’s more about the accuracy of her strikes than the power she possesses. There isn’t much wasted motion in her strikes and against an opponent who she feels is a challenge, she’s likely to be more conservative and take the time to set up her attack. Now, would I pick her to beat Jose Aldo or Conor McGregor? No. Could I see her challenging a Darren Elkins? As wild as it sounds, yes I do.

 

LHS: Challenge is the key term there. If by challenge you mean make it to the 3rd round, them maybe. She could possibly go the distance with a Darren Elkins, but winning? I just don’t see it in the cards. This situation reminds me of a 20-0 boxer who has never faced any real competition, once you get in there with the big boys it’s a whole nother level. She has a hands down move forward style that makes her very hittable. While she does have power I don’t know if it will translate to her knocking out most male competitors at that weight class. She’s going to be getting hit by men cutting down from around 170 and my guess is she’ll be getting hit alot. Her movement’s not super impressive, and from what I’ve seen her advantages lie in her being so much stronger and skilled than her competition.  I’m not saying she’s not a great fighter at the women’s division, but I just see too many holes and question marks to seriously think she could COMPETE with the top 15.

 

JS: All valid points, but I do think you’re grossly underestimating Cyborg’s abilities. She’s always in position to strike, never throws herself out of her stance, and has the accuracy to make her dangerous for any fighter out there no matter their gender.

 

But that’s the beauty of these kinds of hypothetical conversations: there’s no right or wrong answer. I do think that Cyborg is certainly a special athlete who is in the unfortunate position of not having enough high level opposition to contend with in the female featherweight ranks. While Cyborg testing her grit against a male opponent is unlikely to come to pass, the idea that she may not even be able to contend with high level fighters like Holly Holm or Amanda Nunes is also extremely unfortunate. For now we can only wonder and guess how well Cyborg would do in either scenario, but if one thing is certain, she does have the skills to at least bring about these kind of what if scenarios.

So just how good is Cris Cyborg?

 

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OUTSIDE THE UFC: PHIL DAVIS SIGNS TO BELLATOR 163 AND MAIA VS. MODAFERRI TONIGHT ON INVICTA FC 19

It’s easy to forget about the smaller promotions when UFC is crushing the billings. Not only do they have the best fighters but with it’s newfound mainstream success there’s news popping out every minute about fighters and their contracts. But alas, not only do other promotions exist. They’ve got some pretty good fights, and some of them are going doing tonight!

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In Other news…

It’s easy to forget about the smaller promotions when UFC is crushing the billings. Not only do they have the best fighters but with it’s newfound mainstream success there’s news popping out every minute about fighters and their contracts. But alas, not only do other promotions exist. They’ve got some pretty good fights, and some of them are going doing tonight! Flyweights Maia vs. Modafferi square off tonight at Invicta FC 19, the bout is for the 125 lb title and will be featured on UFC Fight Pass at 8 p.m. Eastern. If you don’t know much about Modafferi, check out her twitter page. She became famous for her insanely positive attitude on TUF 18, but she’ll have to keep her hijinks in the cage if she wants to beat the Brazilian chute box striker that is Jennifer Maia. Ayaka Hamasaki defends her atomweight title against Jinh Yu Frey in the co-main event. Phil Davis Clashes with light heavyweight champion Liam McGeary at Bellator 163. Davis recently beat King Mo to secure the shot  and McGeary is coming off of a win against Tito Ortiz at Bellator 142. McGeary hasn’t fought in over a year, and it will be interesting to see if ring rust plays a factor for the 33 year old British fighter. The bout is set for the Mohegan Sun Arena for Nov 4th. The lightweights will headline the card. Excited or nah? Do any of these fight peak your interest, or is any break from the UFC a breath of fresh air? Be sure to hit us up in the comments section below.

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DOES CONOR MCGREGOR DESERVE THE TITLE SHOT? KHABIB DOESN’T THINK SO.

In a recent interview on Five Rounds podcast with Brent Okamoto, No. 1 lightweight contender Khabib Nurmagomedov didn’t mince words on who he thought should be next for a title shot.

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“No. 1 Bullshit”

In a recent interview on Five Rounds podcast with Brent Okamoto, No. 1 lightweight contender Khabib Nurmagomedov didn’t mince words on who he thought should be next for a title shot.

“Conor McGregor fights in the UFC in a lighter division and the UFC wants to give him title shot? I think this is No. 1 bullshit. They cannot give him a title shot because he’s never fought with the top guys, like top five, top 10 in the lightweight division, and they want to give him title shot? “

I agree. I don’t think McGregor has earned a lightweight title shot for any reason other than his undeniable drawing power. Granted, Khabib’s only match in 2 years was a win against unknown Darrell Horcher, but before that he did beat former lightweight champion Rafael Dos Anjos, and is still undefeated. Still not enough? He’s the number 1 contender. While that may not hold as much weight as it did in the past, conventionally, if you haven’t lost to the current champ in recent history and you hold No. 1 contendership, then you get the shot.

“Conor’s stuck two divisions, featherweight and lightweight. Now Conor makes the decisions…

“I want to fight at 205 in New York, maybe fight with Eddie Alvarez. I love this fight. I want to fight for the belt. All fans, coaches, fighters, analytics, everybody agrees and knows who deserves this title shot. I deserve it. I am No. 1 ranked. Why UFC put me on No. 1 ranking if they don’t want to give me title shot? Why do they make rankings?”

Why do they make ranking? Honestly, it may be a thing of the past. But getting back to the original point, does a 2 year hiatus really justify getting to the back of the line? It didn’t justify it for Dominick Cruz, it didn’t justify it for Jon Bones Jones, and I’m sure it won’t justify it for GSP. People complain that Khabib hasn’t fought the big names, well here’s his shot, this is the time we get to see what Khabib’s really made of. Besides, if not him, then who? Michael Johnson, Nate Diaz, RDA, Tony Ferguson? Who exactly is more deserving?

This is not to say Conor can’t win that fight. I could definitely see him out striking Alvarez if the current champion can’t get him to the ground. But if we’re talking about “deserving” at light heavyweight, Khabib is your guy. As for as Conor’s well thought out argument, it goes a little something like this…

 

While I like his style, and really this just adds to his appeal, I don’t think it’s a compelling argument. Nurmagomedov is no fool however and realizes you don’t always get what you deserve. Coupled with the fact Eddie Alvarez has been angling for the big money fight against McGregor since UFC 202, Khabib is already looking forward to other fights in case he doesn’t win the bid.

 

“I’m still focused. If the UFC gives him a title shot, it’s okay. I’m a little bit not happy and at the same time I’m a little bit happy, because if the UFC gives him a title shot and he becomes lightweight champion and I win somebody like a top five guy, then we have to fight and he has to fight with me…”

“Michael Johnson already beat Edson Barboza, he already beat Dustin Poirier, he already beat Tony Ferguson. I think Michael is good if I don’t fight for the title. Michael, Edson, I like Michael Chiesa but he’s still injured, somebody. I don’t care who is my opponent. If UFC don’t give me a title shot, I want to fight with the best. I don’t care who.”

In a recent twitter post Dana White said it would actually be Khabib vs. Alvarez at 205, but now rumors are saying they might headline 206  in Air Canada Centre, Ontario December 10th. But a promise from Dana White is like flipping a coin, 50/50 at best.

Who do you guys think deserves a the title shot, and does ranking really matter? Can Khabib and Eddie Alvarez even carry a card? Chime in with your opinions below.

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Charles “Krazy Horse” Bennett and Wanderlei Silva Almost Come to Blows

Yeah, so remember that time that Charles “Krazy Horse” Bennett actually tried to wage a one man army on the famed Chute Boxe team back in the days of Pride? Well, it seems like Wanderlei Silva hasn’t forgotten. Not. One. Bit. Check out the video after the jump of Wanderlei Silva and Krazy Horse nearly coming to blows at the Rizin Hotel.

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Yeah, so remember that time that Charles “Krazy Horse” Bennett actually tried to wage a one man army on the famed Chute Boxe team back in the days of Pride? Well, it seems like Wanderlei Silva hasn’t forgotten. Not. One. Bit. Check out the video after the jump of Wanderlei Silva and Krazy Horse nearly coming to blows at the Rizin Hotel.

Pride really never dies.


Jonathan Salmon is a writer, martial arts instructor, and geek culture enthusiast. Check out his Twitter and Facebook to keep up with his antics.

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WHY CRIS CYBORG’S WEIGHT BATTLE CALLS FOR SOME NEW CHANGES IN WMMA

In any prize fighting sport weight is a big deal. I know what you’re thinking, what about back in the day before weight classes, when Royce Gracie defeated Gerard Gordeau at UFC 1? While a prime example, the UFC didn’t really evolve as a sport until it started making weight classes and implementing rules. Today it’s a multi-billion dollar company who’s set to have their first New York card UFC 205 at MSG. But even with it’s newfound success, there’s still a few kinks left to work out.

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Till I Collapse.

In any prize fighting sport weight is a big deal. I know what you’re thinking, what about back in the day before weight classes, when Royce Gracie defeated Gerard Gordeau at UFC 1? While a prime example, the UFC didn’t really evolve as a sport until it started making weight classes and implementing rules.  Today it’s a multi-billion dollar company who’s set to have their first New York card UFC 205 at MSG. But even with it’s newfound success, there’s still a few kinks left to work out.

This saturday it’s going down. In the main event for UFC Fight night 95, Justino Cris “Cyborg” takes on UFC newcomer Lina “Elbow Queen” Lansberg, in a fight that shouldn’t last very long. Cris “Cyborg” is a beast that could probably go toe to toe with men at some of the smaller weight classes; so with -1200 odds this fight shouldn’t make it out of the first round. Her toughest battle however will be weight. As reported through other news sources “Cyborg” has anywhere from 15-20 lbs to cut before fight night. She has to make it to 140 lbs and some have reported she’s even resorted to birth control to cut weight. But why? why does a top MMA star have to resort to such harsh measures to make weight? The UFC, that’s why.

It seems the organization has no interest in making new weight classes for women’s mma as it may not be viable to their bottom line. “Cyborg” is a big girl, she struggles to make 145 and to ask her to go to 140 is damn near impossible. Since there is no 140 lb division, she’s fighting at a catchweight anyway, why not just make a class for her so other females can follow suit and go up if they’d like to. More competition for a big star they’re not utilizing to her full capacity.

What’s even more surprising is the absence of a 125lb weight class. Fighters from Joanne Calderwood, former bantamweight champ Miesha Tate, to current strawweight champ Joanna jedrzejczyk have been calling for a flyweight class for a while now and it seems no one’s listening. They’re not big enough draw’s? Joanna Jedrzejczyk and Miesha Tate make the fights people want to see. If Tate’s win over Holy Holm for the title wasn’t inspiring or Jedrzejczyk’s  in and out of octagon battle against  Cláudia Gadelha wasn’t enough, then you’re in the wrong sport.

In addition, wouldn’t we see better fights at the weight class the girls are more comfortable at? instead of forcing them to either drain themselves or beef up for the 20 lbs gap, make a weight class that veterans can fit into as well as a platform for new talent. Middleweight (185) to lightheavyweight (205) is understandable, but when you’re 5’5, 20 lbs is a lot.

Ultimately  it comes down to what will the fans pay to see, Would you guys pay to watch your favorite female fighters, as well a newcomers at 125 lbs? Or is the weight class too small to hold any real drawing power?

Hit us up with your thoughts and comments below.

Lionel Harris-Spence is a local drunk and part time writer for Cage Potato, and Generation Iron MMA. You can catch him screaming obscenities at a flat screen during most MMA events

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What The Hell Is Going On With UFC 205?

So UFC 205, the first major mixed martial arts event in the great state of New York, is right around the corner. Yet, with only a month and change until the event there still has been no fights booked. What? Not having fights booked six weeks out from an event is something that’s a rarity for a smaller promotion much less the biggest fight organization in MMA. The UFC has yet to get a main or co-main event slotted to entice the fans. For now everything is “in the works,” but at this point the UFC needs to get things set in stone.

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So UFC 205, the first major mixed martial arts event in the great state of New York, is right around the corner. Yet, with only a month and change until the event there still has been no fights booked. What? Not having fights booked six weeks out from an event is something that’s a rarity for a smaller promotion much less the biggest fight organization in MMA. The UFC has yet to get a main or co-main event slotted to entice the fans. For now everything is “in the works,” but at this point the UFC needs to get things set in stone.

So how would you go about doing that exactly? Well, you get some hard hitting, fan friendly, New York bred fighters to bolster your card with. Seems simple enough. Except not. Al Iaquinta, a fighter who fits all the above criteria that you’d want out of a fight to boost a New York card, brought to light that he refused to fight on the November card due to contract disputes. That means the UFC is willing to make sacrifices, holding true to their shrewd business tactics. But with no Chris Weidman, no Aljamain, an injured Gian Vilante, and no sign of Dennis Bermudez joining the UFC’s first card in NY, it seems like a bad business decision to have a card devoid of homegrown talent.

So just what the hell does the UFC plan to do about UFC 205? Sure, you could sell a fight at Madison Square Garden with some of the bigger names in the UFC, but if you want to really rake in the doe, wouldn’t you want to pack your card with local talent? Besides that, shouldn’t your fight card start to take shape from now in order for fighters to have proper fight camps? Whatever the UFC decides, it behooves them to push their foot on the gas, paid guys what they’re worth, move things around and make UFC 205 an event to remember. To have a New York fight card with no New Yorkers seems to be a complete waste.

What’s your thoughts on UFC 205?


Jonathan Salmon is a writer, martial arts instructor, and geek culture enthusiast. Check out his Twitter and Facebook to keep up with his antics.

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