UFC on Fox 8 took place on July 27 from the Key Arena in Seattle. The main event on the fight card saw flyweight champion Demetrious Johnson defeat John Moraga via armbar at the 3:43 mark of Round 5. The submission was the latest in UFC history.
The co…
UFC on Fox 8 took place on July 27 from the Key Arena in Seattle. The main event on the fight card saw flyweight champion Demetrious Johnson defeat John Moraga via armbar at the 3:43 mark of Round 5. The submission was the latest in UFC history.
The co-main event saw Rory MacDonald jab his way to a unanimous decision victory in a fight that was viewed as either a brilliantly planned effort, or a boring, safe fight from MacDonald.
In all, 24 athletes competed on the fight card, below are the full salaries.
Full UFC on Fox 8 Fighter Pay:
Demetrious Johnson: $58,000 ($29,000 plus $29,000 win bonus)
John Moraga $17,000
Rory MacDonald: $48,000 ($24,000 plus $24,000 win bonus)
Jake Ellenberger: $52,000
Robbie Lawler: $156,000 ($78,000 plus $78,000 win bonus)
Bobby Voelker: $12,000
Liz Carmouche: $24,000 ($12,000 plus $12,000 win bonus)
Jessica Andrade: $8,000
Jorge Masvidal: $66,000 ($33,000 plus $33,000 win bonus)
Michael Chiesa: $15,000
Danny Castillo: $58,000 ($29,000 plus $29,000 win bonus)
Tim Means: $12,000
Melvin Guillard: $84,000 ($42,000 plus $42,000 win bonus)
Mac Danzig: $30,000
Daron Cruickshank: $20,000 ($10,000 plus $10,000 win bonus)
Yves Edwards: $21,000
Ed Herman: $74,000 ($37,000 plus $37,000 win bonus)
Trevor Smith: $8,000
Germaine de Randamie: $18,000 ($9,000 plus $9,000 win bonus)
Julie Kedzie: $9,000
Justin Salas: $16,000 ($8,000 plus $8,000 win bonus)
Aaron Riley: $14,000
Yaotzin Meza: $20,000 ($10,000 plus $10,000 win bonus)
John Albert: $10,000
*Amounts do not reflect any bonuses paid to the fighter by the UFC
**Salaries provided to Bleacher Report via email by the Washington State Department of Licensing.
Did you enjoy Saturday’s fights at UFC on Fox 8? Then you are going to love reliving all the excitement from this past weekend’s event in super slow motion.
From flyweight champ Demetrious Johnson’s fifth-round armbar win over John …
Did you enjoy Saturday’s fights at UFC on Fox 8? Then you are going to love reliving all the excitement from this past weekend’s event in super slow motion.
From flyweight champ Demetrious Johnson’s fifth-round armbar win over John Moraga to rising welterweight Robbie Lawler’s brutal head-kick knockout of Bobby Voelker, the UFC’s “Phantom Cam” captured all of the fast-paced action from Saturday’s fights in Seattle.
Somehow, it even made the snoozefest between welterweight contenders Rory MacDonald and Jake Ellenberger somewhat entertaining to watch (although that fight was still pretty horrendous).
Check out the remarkable, slow-motion highlight reel in the video embedded above.
In addition to the main card battles, the UFC’s Phanton Cam video also featured some of the preliminary card matchups, including the Fight of the Night winning war between middleweights Ed Herman and Trevor Smith as well as the surprising second-round submission win by lightweight Jorge Masvidal over The Ultimate Fighter 15 winnerMichael Chiesa.
The highlight reel also showed clips from heavy-handed lightweight Melvin Guillard’s dominant striking performance over Mac Danzig.
After seeing Danzig‘s body and face ripple after each of Guillard’s punches landed, all I can say is “Ouch!” I would have started the water works, too, if I had to take a fist to the face from the “Young Assassin.”
Honestly, I cannot get enough of these super slow-mo videos, and I hope they keep pumping out more of them for future events.
(It’s insulting to compare flyweights to children because of their size. They’re grown men, okay? Grown men who just happen to be sponsored by video games and candy. / Photo via Getty Images)
The flyweight division doesn’t serve a purpose in the UFC — at least not a good purpose.
Now, do us both a favor and read the whole article before you go to the comments.
The oft-mentioned casual fan — you know, the kind of person who’s decked out in TapouT gear, plays UFC Personal Trainer, and thinks “MMA” is an acronym for some kind of governmental organization and not a sport — doesn’t care about the UFC’s flyweight division and never has. This fact hasn’t been more brutally apparent than it is now.
UFC on FOX 8, headlined by a flyweight title fight between champ Demetrious Johnson and challenger John Moraga, drew a paltry live gate of $735,000. Just under 8,000 fans were present. The amount of comped tickets wasn’t revealed. When the UFC visited Seattle back in December with a non-flyweight main event, the attendance and live gate were twice as high.
The event wasn’t a success in terms of TV viewership either. Despite winning the night in the 18-49 year old demographic, their numbers with that demographic were down 40% since the last FOX event. The FOX portion of the card was viewed by an average of 2.04 million viewers. To put that into perspective, more people watched a rerun of Cops that aired on FOX the previous Saturday in the same time slot than were watching LIVE UFC ACTION!!! Not only did “Johnson vs. Moraga” draw the fewest viewers of any UFC on FOX event, it was the lowest-rated MMA event ever on network television.
The numbers don’t lie. Flyweight is the Ryan Leaf of the UFC’s weight classes. So why not get rid of it?
(It’s insulting to compare flyweights to children because of their size. They’re grown men, okay? Grown men who just happen to be sponsored by video games and candy. / Photo via Getty Images)
The flyweight division doesn’t serve a purpose in the UFC — at least not a good purpose.
Now, do us both a favor and read the whole article before you go to the comments.
The oft-mentioned casual fan — you know, the kind of person who’s decked out in TapouT gear, plays UFC Personal Trainer, and thinks “MMA” is an acronym for some kind of governmental organization and not a sport — doesn’t care about the UFC’s flyweight division and never has. This fact hasn’t been more brutally apparent than it is now.
UFC on FOX 8, headlined by a flyweight title fight between champ Demetrious Johnson and challenger John Moraga, drew a paltry live gate of $735,000. Just under 8,000 fans were present. The amount of comped tickets wasn’t revealed. When the UFC visited Seattle back in December with a non-flyweight main event, the attendance and live gate were twice as high.
The event wasn’t a success in terms of TV viewership either. Despite winning the night in the 18-49 year old demographic, their numbers with that demographic were down 40% since the last FOX event. The FOX portion of the card was viewed by an average of 2.04 million viewers. To put that into perspective, more people watched a rerun of Cops that aired on FOX the previous Saturday in the same time slot than were watching LIVE UFC ACTION!!! Not only did “Johnson vs. Moraga” draw the fewest viewers of any UFC on FOX event, it was the lowest-rated MMA event ever on network television.
The numbers don’t lie. Flyweight is the Ryan Leaf of the UFC’s weight classes. So why not get rid of it?
Flyweight apologists might say that it’s too early to apply such a dubious distinction to the 125 lbs. division and that things will be just fine. “Just give it time and the fans will be wowed by how technical and amazing the flyweights are,” they’ll argue. The biggest flyweight apologist of them all, Demetrious Johnson, clings to this theory as well.
“I think the flyweights are doing pretty well so far. I mean yeah a lot of people still don’t know about us, but it’s just going to take time,” Johnson said on Bleacher Report’s MMA’s Great Debate show. “It’s only been since March of this year that it’s been one year since introducing the flyweight division. I think the roster’s still growing. I think we’re still getting known to the public.”
Translation without the bullshit: It’s been roughly 16 months since the flyweight division debuted in the UFC. Flyweight fighters have been featured prominently on FX and FOX, yet the division isn’t much better off than when it started. We’ve given it time, and it still hasn’t won people over. There are only 16 flyweight fighters in the UFC — 16. Think about that for a second. There are more playable characters in Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 than there are fighters in the flyweight division. A roster of 16 fighters means that the top-10 comprises more than half of the weight class.
What’s the point of a division with fewer than 20 guys, none of whom the fans care about enough to watch on free television, let alone pay to see? What’s the point of a division where a John Moraga — the guy who just challenged for the world flyweight title — had never fought outside the Facebook prelims before being thrust into a title fight?
The flyweight division has no point outside of determining the answer to a question that fans didn’t ask: Who is the toughest 125-pound man on the planet?
There’s no shame in removing a division of fighters who can’t draw. The hardcore fans would bitch. The media would bitch (though a percentage of them would probably be thankful). The casual fans and the rest of the world outside of the MMA bubble wouldn’t know the difference.
This isn’t to denigrate the athletes, though. They’re all gifted and fight with phenomenal speed and conditioning. And, personally, I don’t mind watching the flyweights at all. It’s amazing to see athletes fight at a breakneck pace for 25 minutes. I’m not trying to insult them or what they do. I understand that there are people who love the flyweights but, to the less-educated majority of fans (read: those who think Kimbo Slice and Brock Lesnar are the best “ultimate fighters” of all time), flyweight fights are piss-break matches — and that’s not going to change. And if that’s not going to change, why keep the weight class around?
The flyweight division doesn’t sell tickets or pay-per-views. It doesn’t wow viewers. In fact, it does the opposite. It’s useless to fans and offers nothing to the UFC except filled space on a card.
That’s another point to mention. The UFC is running way more events then it used to, so it needs as many warm bodies as possible to market as “UFC CHAMPIONS.” That’s where the flyweights come in. How many more “TOP TEN™” fights and title fights can the UFC say they’re offering us now that they’ve added the flyweights? MMA historian Jonathan Snowden referred to this phenomenon as “creating the illusion of importance for UFC television cards lacking oomph.”
But that doesn’t mean that the UFC has to keep flyweights. They’re not a necessity. The UFC can disband the flyweight division and then get other fighters to fill card space, fighters that at least have a chance of becoming popular. Fans tune in to see fighters they want to see, not fighters they’ve never heard of winning accolades they perceive as meaningless.
There is another justification for the flyweight division’s existence, though. It’s possible (and likely) that the weight-class was meant to give a home to the fighters that Zuffa would no doubt be signing as it expanded into China, Singapore, and Asia as a whole. It looked like that theory would be coming true with the announcement of TUF China but, alas, TUF China is looking for featherweights, lightweights, and welterweights. Flyweight will not be getting an influx of new fighters from overseas, at least not yet. And even if it was, the foreign fighters might make the division worse. How long were we told that Tiequan Zhang was the baddest Chinese fighter on the planet only for him to go 1-3 in the UFC while fighting mostly low-level athletes?
If Zhang is the best that China has to offer, what will future Chinese imports be like? And what about the flyweights from other countries in that part of the world whose MMA scenes aren’t as developed? Once these guys get in the UFC, they’ll turn flyweight from a shallow division that nobody cares about into a division populated by shitty fighters that even fewer people will care about. What’ll be worse is that the UFC will still try to shove it down our throats. “Come see the AMAZING flyweights go at it! See the PIONEERS of Chinese/Singaporean/Filipino/Wherever MMA and the STARS of the 125-pound weight class!”
Thus, flyweight is, at best, a weight class founded to artificially inflate the importance of fight cards and to serve as a glorified advertising vehicle for the UFC’s efforts abroad. Yet it’s failing in both of those missions.
The prideful UFC will likely never pull the plug on the flyweight division but they won’t have to. Over time, it’ll fade into abject irrelevance on its own. The dutiful media members will commit names and fighter records to memory and write articles about tiny-sized triumphs all while the casual fans at home go “125 pounds? I could throw that guy through the wall,” right before they change the channel.
Demetrious Johnson silenced some critics at UFC on Fox 8, where he picked up his first stoppage win inside the Octagon by submitting John Moraga.
“Mighty Mouse” has now defended the UFC flyweight title two times. As a result, he finds himself climbing …
Demetrious Johnson silenced some critics at UFC on Fox 8, where he picked up his first stoppage win inside the Octagon by submitting John Moraga.
“Mighty Mouse” has now defended the UFC flyweight title two times. As a result, he finds himself climbing the pound-for-pound rankings rather quickly. More importantly, Johnson is beginning to set a high bar for which future flyweight champions will reach.
With his victory on Saturday, Johnson has now defeated four of the top contenders in the 125-pound class. How did his continued success impact the flyweight and pound-for-pound ladders?
With UFC on Fox 8 in the books and UFC 163 ahead, here are the latest official UFC rankings.
In an interview with Sherdog.com, Fira Zahabi talked about Rory MacDonald’s recent underwhelming victory over Jake Ellenberger at UFC on Fox 8.
The co-main event did not please fans or UFC President Dana White, with MacDonald sticking to a snapping jab…
In an interview with Sherdog.com, FiraZahabi talked about Rory MacDonald’s recent underwhelming victory over Jake Ellenberger at UFC on Fox 8.
The co-main event did not please fans or UFC President Dana White, with MacDonald sticking to a snapping jab and good movement rather than attacking his opponent. Zahabi, while aware of the frustration, was clear that Rory had the right plan.
“I think Rory neutralized the wrestling well and outboxed him,” said Zahabi. “Jake had to roll the dice and step in hard. Rory was controlling the distance well and did what he had to do to win.”
When asked if MacDonald was being overly cautious, the coach was blunt in stating “If you watch a lot of Jake Ellenberger fights, you would be cautious too.”
Zahabi noted that when training for an opponent like Ellenberger, the approach has to be different than with other fighters.
“[Jake] doesn’t just knock people out, he breaks their bones when he hits them. This is a very dangerous guy. You’re fighting a Tyson. You’ve got to fight him smart, you have to fight him calculated. It is not the same fight you would have if you fight a guy with normal human strength.”
Zahabi was willing to admit that MacDonald did have room to improve his stand-up game.
“There are so many things we need to fix. I think there are a lot of shots he could have landed. When you hesitate it is because you are not sure and you haven’t done it enough. He needs to be limited on the combinations he does in sparring, and focus on these combinations that should have come out but didn’t come out in this fight.”
There had been rumors that MacDonald and gym-mate Georges St-Pierre may be on course to face one another for the welterweight belt. With the lacking performance at UFC on Fox 8, MacDonald is likely in line for another contender bout. Meanwhile, Zahabi will focus his own attention on GSP’s upcoming bout with Johnny Hendricks at UFC 167 in November.
“Who sh*t in your cereal?” is a question Rory MacDonald could be asking the entire MMA world following his win over Jake Ellenberger in the co-main event on UFC on Fox 8. And they would respond in kind with a resounding “you did, you talented Canadian…
“Who sh*t in your cereal?” is a question Rory MacDonald could be asking the entire MMA world following his win over Jake Ellenberger in the co-main event on UFC on Fox 8. And they would respond in kind with a resounding “you did, you talented Canadian psycho, you.”
MacDonald seems to have bared most of the brunt for his fight with Ellenberger being thought of as “worse than watching paint dry” in the mind most MMA fans who bore (see what I did there) witness.
“Ellenberger did nothing. Ellenberger did nothing and he’s told you, you don’t belong in the top 10. (MacDonald) went out and bullied B.J. (Penn) because he knew he could. He didn’t try to bully Ellenberger. Don’t come in and say ‘oh my fight was great, it was technical and this and that and I belong in the top 10,’ and talk all this s*** and don’t go in there and try to perform. “I don’t think he did anything. He threw a few jabs and some front kicks.”
“Tonight was a night, an important night, that everybody was excited for. Yes, I understand sometimes you know you’re fighting somebody dangerous, but f***ing Ellenberger just sat there. Ellenberger sat two feet away from me and said ‘that wasn’t me tonight, I wasn’t myself.’ So if you’re Rory and you’re that f***ing good and you’re that talented, then you impose your will on him and you show the rest of the world not only do I belong in the top five, I should be fighting Georges St-Pierre.
He did finish his rant by saying something good about the young lad. “Rory’s one of the best in the world. He didn’t look it tonight.”
That Rory could so easily dispatch of a fighter as good as Jake Ellenberger, with a few jabs and front kicks, has to say something about just how good MacDonald is and could be. Ellenberger was lost in the woods. MacDonald was a whole lot of trees (and jabs).
B/R MMA Analyst Jack Slack pointed out some of the holes in MacDonald’s game, things to be worked on no doubt. But given that MacDonald just turned twenty-four, he has all the time in the world to perfect his game to the level of GSP, and perhaps beyond.
For his part, MacDonald said he looked to finish (in his post fight interview with Ariel Helwani) but wanted to avoid “amateur mistakes.” He wasn’t looking to “stick his neck out there against a dangerous fighter, sometimes it just doesn’t happen.”
As so perhaps we should leave it at that. MacDonald is a straight shooter. Ellenberger was a dangerous foe. MacDonald wanted to continue his evolution without the back of his head hitting the canvas.
For my money, I tend to think MacDonald may have been using Ellenberger to work on his jab…which as Jack Slack pointed out needs work. He gave his trainers some nice and easy footage to analyze. Also, it was a nice display of not engaging and counter fighting!
Conspiracy theory aside, MacDonald said, in his post fight interview with Ariel Helwani, that he wanted to fight by “year’s end.” The obvious fight to make would be a rematch with Carlos Condit, assuming he gets past Martin Kampmann in their own rematch. That fight headlines the second offering from Fox Sports 1, which goes down at the end of August.
So in theory MacDonald vs. Condit 2 could very well happen by the end of 2013. Figuring out where to stick it is another matter as the fight schedule is already filled to the brim. It would best be a fight that was saved for early 2014, possibly on the Super Bowl fight card in February.
And if MacDonald were to rematch Condit, and win, he would have no where to go but straight into a title fight with Georges St-Pierre…assuming of course St-Pierre successfully defends his belt against Johnny Hendricks. If Hendricks wins then it blows everything wide open.
A fight with his friend and mentor St-Pierre is a fight MacDonald has repeatedly says he does not want. Dana White begs to differ saying during the following in the post-fight media scrum:
“That kid’s in a tough enough position as it is—he lives in Georges St-Pierre’s house, he trains in Georges St-Pierre’s hometown, and everything’s Georges St-Pierre this and Georges St-Pierre that, and the kid has to walk around and say he doesn’t want to fight Georges St-Pierre,” White said about MacDonald.
“We all f***ing know he wants to fight Georges St-Pierre, but why would he go out beating his chest that he wants to fight Georges St-Pierre when that fight isn’t even close to happening yet,” White continued.
Only time will tell if MacDonald pulls a “Jon Jones” and decides he does in fact want to fight GSP. If he refuses the fight, he can always move up to Middleweight.
The one thing we do know for sure is that MacDonald is a legit contender…whether or not people were bored by his jabbing performance on Saturday night.