WWE Reaction to UFC 141: Did Brock Lesnar Lose on Purpose?

As everyone knows, Brock Lesnar got knocked out pretty fast in his comeback fight Friday night. In fact, it was like Brock wasn’t even fighting and instead it was a poorly trained clone. Almost immediately after his defeat Lesnar&nb…

As everyone knows, Brock Lesnar got knocked out pretty fast in his comeback fight Friday night. In fact, it was like Brock wasn’t even fighting and instead it was a poorly trained clone. 

Almost immediately after his defeat Lesnar announced during the pay-per-view telecast that he was retiring, and as many of you have read, since then people have been anticipating his return to World Wrestling Entertainment.

I actually wrote an article yesterday as to why the company or fans don’t need him back (from a business not a personal standpoint).

However, this article isn’t about whether he should return; it’s about the recent remarks made by the first Undisputed Champion, Chris Jericho.

Yesterday Jericho Tweeted:

“Lesnar just took a dive….”

Odds are Jericho is just working people and trying to get everyone off his back in regards to who the mystery man that will be returning tomorrow night on Raw. Plus, it’s Chris Jericho, this is what he does!

However lets just imagine for a second that Jericho wasn’t trying to blow smoke and actually might believe Lesnar took a dive. Hypothetically of course.

Anything is possible.

Lesnar is by no means old, but he sure has had a few rough years with his health and he’s not the dominate fighter he once was, he had a decent run for someone who entered the sport much later in life than most do and maybe he realized that he just didn’t need or want to continue to train 6-10 months a year for one fight that he could possibly lose and be a laughing stock. Maybe he realized that he could make much more money for a months work while being almost universally cheered and still looked at like a monster.

If you haven’t understood what I’m getting at, I’m saying maybe Lesnar took a dive to actually go back to the one place he seemed to hate…..professional wrestling.

The last six months seem way too coincidental and I don’t believe in coincidences.

In June, CM Punk mentions Brock Lesnar during his shoot promo.

In July, Dana White visited WWE HQ and had a meeting with Vince McMahon.

Lesnar then appeared in the new WWE 12 video game. This is the first time Lesnar had been associated with a WWE product in years.

Then during during a pre-fight press conference, Lesnar made some (in hindsight) interesting remarks where he said “Wrestling is fake” and “I am Brock Lesnar the UFC fighter.”

Just a few hours later he was Brock Lesnar the retired UFC fighter.

Now as I said, Jericho is probably just working everyone and he knew what he tweeted would go viral…and it did! But do you (the reader) think what he said has any merit to it? Do you think Brock took a dive so he could go make more money for one match then just disappear forever.

People will remember him much more as a dominate force if he goes back to WWE and destroys people compared to getting his butt kicked in UFC. No man likes to be remembered as someone who loses. 

 

Update:

It appears that I need to clarify the subject of the article because apparently some people have been getting upset and taking the idea of this article to the extreme.

This was just a scenario I put together, I never said Jericho was right or that Lesnar took a dive, it was all a hypothetical situation in which I asked you (the reader) to chime in and ask whether you thought it was possible.

What I wrote here was not my personal opinions, it was just a topic to get people to throw out ideas and talk. 

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Brock Lesnar Signs New Deal with WWE, Will Appear in WWE Video Game

Brock Lesnar will be making his return to the squared circle. According to TMZ.com, the former WWE superstar has signed a new deal with World Wrestling Entertainment that will feature him in an upcoming video game, “WWE:12”. The deal will reported…

Brock Lesnar will be making his return to the squared circle. 

According to TMZ.com, the former WWE superstar has signed a new deal with World Wrestling Entertainment that will feature him in an upcoming video game, “WWE:12”. The deal will reportedly see him as a “featured star” in the upcoming game.

TMZ.com also reports that developers for the game approached Lesnar in January and asked for his permission to use his likeness for the game and advertising campaign. 

Lesnar agreed to the offer, however he had to get permission from UFC President Dana White, who also agreed.  

“I love WWE and I have nothing but love for Vince McMahon — I’m totally OK with Brock being in the game,” White told TMZ.com.

Lesnar was an employee of the WWE for just two years before pursuing a career in the NFL and the UFC. Lesnar was a big draw for the WWE and brought a lot of mainstream success to the company. Lesnar would eventually make the transition to mixed martial arts and signed with the UFC in 2007, debuting for the company the following year. Since his debut Lesnar holds notable wins over Frank Mir and Randy Couture, and is a former UFC heavyweight champion.

TMZ.com confirmed the first commercial, which will feature Lesnar, is expected to be released today. 

Lesnar is expected to make his return to the Octagon later this year when he faces Alistair Overeem at UFC 140.

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It’s Time to Play the Game: Examining Triple H’s Smack Talk About the UFC

I did it at least nine times. How else would I inherit his empire?

By Jason Moles

Last week MMA Fighting reported that Paul Levesque, better known as Triple H, real life son-in-law of WWE Chairman and CEO Vince McMahon, said he thought the UFC should evolve like the pro wrestling juggernaut has, “because quite frankly sometimes the fights are long and boring, guys lying around and sometimes the fights are fast and over in five seconds.”

Is “The Game” right? Does it matter? Before we pass judgment on his comments, let’s take a quick look at a few specific examples he gave for his opinion, then weigh the pros and cons of leaning too far towards Entertainment or Winning.

I did it at least nine times. How else would I inherit his empire?

By Jason Moles

Last week MMA Fighting reported that Paul Levesque, better known as Triple H, real life son-in-law of WWE Chairman and CEO Vince McMahon, said he thought the UFC should evolve like the pro wrestling juggernaut has, “because quite frankly sometimes the fights are long and boring, guys lying around and sometimes the fights are fast and over in five seconds.”

Is “The Game” right? Does it matter? Before we pass judgment on his comments, let’s take a quick look at a few specific examples he gave for his opinion, then weigh the pros and cons of leaning too far towards Entertainment or Winning.

[They should] give more of an entertainment standpoint. Give more form; they just have fighters who walk in in T-shirts and shorts and just stand there and then they fight and then they win and then they go ‘thanks, I’d like to thank my sponsors’ and then they leave. The whole world was up in arms when Brock was flipping people off and was cussing at the beer company because they didn’t give him any money. The whole world was talking about it. They couldn’t wait to see him get beat up. And then he did well, and he beat some guys and then people jump on his bandwagon going ‘Brock’s the greatest.’

It appears that Hunter has taken a few too many chair shots over the years and has become quite confused. You see, his comments do not reflect a desire to see the UFC evolve — rather he would have them take a page out of Vinnie Mac’s script and add a bunch of fabricated drama to invoke human interest so the audience will become emotionally invested in the product.

His only valid point was the comments made about boring fights. Would you not agree? Dana White certainly does. Remember that interview with SI.com when they asked him if it’s a fighter’s job to entertain or just win fights.

Sure. But you’ve got to be exciting! If all we cared about was guys winning fights, you know how many wrestlers could just go lay on a guy? There are tons of wrestlers that could do that. I don’t know. Do you think we’d be talking about all these big plans and all the exciting things that we’re going to be doing if that was the case? I mean, that’s a pretty stupid question. If somebody really asks that question, you’d have to look at them and go, “Are you stupid?” Seriously, it’s a really dumb question.

Hear that Mr. Game? You’re preaching to the choir.

Why do most fighters fight? Money. How can they make more money? Winning, bonuses, and sponsorships. How do these streams of cash grow? Higher TV Ratings and increased PPV buy rates — essentially, you need more people watching your product. How do you get more people to watch your product? Be exciting, which means, according to the average MMA fan, you need to KO your opponent or get them to tap out. Whatever you do, it has to be fast-paced and explosive. Easy enough, right?

What happens if a fighter’s goal is solely to entertain the crowd and look for the Knockout of the Night bonus? We laugh at his attempts to defeat better opposition — guys who actually have a gameplan and well-rounded skill-set, and know more than what they learned in Mike Tyson’s ‘Punch-Out!’. Does this hypothetical slugger have a tendency to give us highlight-reel material from time to time? Sure. But you won’t see him in the main event anytime soon [Ed. note: well…] because although he’s an exciting guy to watch, his skills can only take him so far up the contender ladder. So much for that cash flow increasing.

Conversely, we have “safe” fighters whose only objective is to win, good, bad, or ugly…and it’s usually the latter two. When these guys fight, the numbers don’t suddenly jump off the charts. No one says, “I am pumped to see Jon Fitch fight again,” since the only thing he seems to care about is getting a ‘W’ and that paper. If he only understood that laying someone the eff out would garner him much more money than merely violating him for fifteen minutes, we’d all be winners.

So how do we deal with this contradiction? Should fighters fight to get a win at all costs, even if it means hearing a roar of boos as you smother your opponent for three rounds, or should you call your shot as you step up to the plate, swinging for the fences the entire bout hoping you drop him before he drops you?

So since Triple H brought it up, let’s talk about “evolution,” and what it means in this sport. The UFC has grown and adapted to the changes in our culture by adding rules, protective gear, and a referee. As the organization continued to grow, it became more corporate, breaking away from its blue collar, blood-thirsty past. Dana White and the Fertittas will continue to allow the UFC to evolve, just as the sport of mixed martial arts itself did. Remember when it was a fight between a karate guy and a boxer, fighting to see which style was superior? Now we have guys who can do it all — or at least all that is necessary to eke out a win — squaring off to determine which fighter, not style, is king.

In the end, the only thing that matters is that everyone is satisfied. White wants to be satisfied with the success of the UFC which is ultimately dependent upon its fighters, who want to be satisfied with what they are paid, which largely depends on the fans — who really just want to be satisfied with how enjoyable the fights are. So I just have to ask, ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!

Triple H is Wrong: 5 Reasons WWE Needs to Evolve More Than UFC

Triple H is one of the most successful professional wrestlers in the history of the sport. He is even the heir apparent to the empire grown by his father-in-law, Vince McMahon, who has made his WWE product into a household name. In recent days, howev…

Triple H is one of the most successful professional wrestlers in the history of the sport. He is even the heir apparent to the empire grown by his father-in-law, Vince McMahon, who has made his WWE product into a household name.

In recent days, however, Triple H has made some controversial remarks regarding another company which the WWE has repeatedly claimed that it is not in competition with—the UFC. In a recent interview, the WWE superstar told readers that the UFC needs to evolve to include more entertainment in their product.  

“I think if anybody needs to evolve, it’s them,” he told MovieFone after a question about the WWE’s need to evolve to match what the UFC is doing. “Give more of an entertainment standpoint. Give more form; they just have fighters who walk in in T-shirts and shorts and just stand there and then they fight and then they win and then they go, “thanks, I’d like to thank my sponsors” and then they leave.”

On the surface, it would appear that Triple H believes that the UFC needs to be more like the WWE. He wouldn’t say that specifically, but his words certainly indicate that’s how he feels.

It can be hard to get out of an entrenched lifestyle that you’ve been in for decades, but the reality is that Triple H couldn’t be more off-base than he is. Whether he or the decision-makers in the WWE want to admit it, it’s their company that needs to evolve with the times or fall by the wayside.

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Former UFC Heavyweight Champ Brock Lesnar: ‘WWE Made Me a Household Name’

As Brock Lesnar was breaking onto the MMA scene in 2007, it was no secret that the former “Next Big Thing” was at one point a WWE heavyweight champion.  This did not sit well with a lot of MMA purists, who were willing to completely ov…

As Brock Lesnar was breaking onto the MMA scene in 2007, it was no secret that the former “Next Big Thing” was at one point a WWE heavyweight champion. 

This did not sit well with a lot of MMA purists, who were willing to completely overlook the fact that Brock was a former two-time NCAA All-American as a collegiate wrestler.

Lesnar, whose complications from diverticulitis have limited him to just seven MMA fights in four years, has become a “love him or hate him” type of fighter with his sometimes over the top personality.

After a recent interview with online pro wrestling magazine The Wrestling Press, it seems unlikely that Lesnar is making any new fans by giving the WWE a ton of credit for his popularity in MMA. 

Bloody Elbow was kind enough to reprint some of the most interesting excerpts:

“I’m not stupid—without the WWE, the WWE made me a household name and increased my value tenfold before I even pursued the UFC. Could I be where I am today without the WWE? Probably not.” 

“Could I be drawing the same numbers that I’m drawing? Probably not.  I brought a lot of fans over, a lot of crossover fans that I brought, just from the general public and WWE fans, I believe.”

While it would be difficult to find a counterargument for what Lesnar had to say, some fight fans simply have a hard time acknowledging that professional wrestling has helped MMA in anyway. 

In Lesnar’s case, it would be ignorant to say that he didn’t instill wrestling fans with some curiosity to check out the UFC and perhaps MMA in general. 

Interestingly, UFC Live: Hardy vs. Lytle will go head-to-head against WWE SummerSlam this Sunday, marking one of the very few occasions when Dana White and Vince McMahon will compete for ratings.  

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Paul Heyman Told WWE to Not Allow ‘TUF 1’ to Follow ‘Raw’

Filed under: UFCIt was a good thing WWE head Vince McMahon didn’t listen to then-employee Paul Heyman.

Heyman, the mastermind between the pro wrestling industry-changing ECW promotion in the 90s, revealed Monday that the WWE had the option to not all…

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It was a good thing WWE head Vince McMahon didn’t listen to then-employee Paul Heyman.

Heyman, the mastermind between the pro wrestling industry-changing ECW promotion in the 90s, revealed Monday that the WWE had the option to not allow The Ultimate Fighter 1 to follow Raw and didn’t take it.

“I was there in the room when we decided whether to let The Ultimate Fighter come on after Monday Night Raw,” Heyman told Ariel Helwani on The MMA Hour. “They had the right to approve or decline any programming that followed them.”