The Rock as an MMA Fighter? Experts Weigh in on What Could Have Been

It all started, as things often do now, with a tweet.
Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson, former professional wrestling superstar and the current highest-paid actor in the world, recently sent the social media world into a frenzy with this:

The Rock? The pro w…

It all started, as things often do now, with a tweet.

Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson, former professional wrestling superstar and the current highest-paid actor in the world, recently sent the social media world into a frenzy with this:

The Rock? The pro wrestler and actor? Doing mixed martial arts? Like, with real punching and whatnot?

It seems hard to believe (and perhaps even a little silly) today. Even back in 2007, Johnson’s acting career was on an upward trajectory. He’d given a critically acclaimed performance two years earlier in Be Cool and was beginning a concentrated push into movies and television for kids with an appearance on Hannah Montana and the Disney film The Game Plan.

But, according to Johnson, it was also the year he gave serious thought to taking up a new career in mixed martial arts.

He was a lifelong athlete who’d dedicated himself to football and earned a place on the legendary University of Miami team of the 1990s. Johnson followed that by becoming one of the biggest stars in the history of professional wrestling.

It was clear he had the athletic tools. He had the drive. He even had a gym, coach and team picked out: Jackson-Winkeljohn MMA in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

In those days, JacksonWink wasn’t the vaunted destination for top fighters it would later become, but even then, co-owner and head coach Greg Jackson was developing a reputation as one of the sport’s foremost analytical thinkers. He spent his free time reading philosophy and history and rummaging through ghost towns, but a big chunk of his time was dedicated to approaching the problems associated with cage fighting in a way nobody else had.

Jackson believes Johnson had all the necessary tools for mixed martial arts.

“I think he is a great athlete and would have had no problem with MMA at all,” Jackson tells Bleacher Report. “He is very driven to be the best at whatever he does. That attitude would carry over and give him a great chance at success.”

But just how successful would “The Rock” be? Are we counting merely stepping in the Octagon as a success, as with Johnson’s fellow pro wrestling veteran CM Punk? Or do we mean Brock Lesnar, championship-caliber MMA success?

“It’s hard to say. But certainly he has all the tools he needs to be a world champion,” Jackson adds.

Others are skeptical of Johnson’s long-term potential in the sport, but most agree on one thing: He had the necessary athletic tools.

“Based on athleticism alone, he would have been a blue-chip prospect or more,” MMAFighting.com editor Marc Raimondi says. “It’s worth noting that Brock Lesnar was able to capture the UFC title in a very short amount of time, but he also had a decorated amateur wrestling background. Johnson does not. Johnson is more athletic than CM Punk by a wide margin and would have been in a more manageable weight division.”

“I’ve trained a few former football players, and one thing that they all have in common is great balance and footwork,” says Brandon Gibson, the striking coach at Jackson-Winkeljohn. “In the world of mixed martial arts, those are key skills.”

Dave Doyle of MMAFighting.com and Yahoo Sports agreed with Raimondi. Doyle also noted the oft-overlooked grueling physical strain pro wrestling places on the body.

“People who have done both, like Bellator fighter Muhammed Lawal, have said wrestling is more physically demanding than MMA. So take that as your baseline,” Doyle says. “And then consider that apart from guys like Brock Lesnar and Cain Velasquez—who were legitimate amateur wrestling standouts and physical specimens—matches between your lower-ranked UFC heavyweights during that era resembled a pair of drunk manatees fighting over chum. So yes, The Rock absolutely had the athletic pedigree.”

Combat sports historian (and Bleacher Report lead writer) Jonathan Snowden is less confident.

“In 2007, Rock would have been 12 years removed from his last real athletic competition. And, while earning an athletic scholarship is impressive in its own way, being a backup tackle for the Miami Hurricanes isn’t the kind of pedigree that makes you sit up and take notice,” Snowden says. “WWE requires great dexterity and strength from top performers like The Rock, but it’s applied in a very different context. After all, hitting the ‘Rock Bottom’ is a lot easier when the other behemoth in the ring is willing to cooperate.”

Perhaps Johnson would have struggled to adapt to the different kind of physicality offered by MMA. After all, not everyone handles being punched in the face with aplomb. It takes a different kind of soul to find cage fighting—if not exactly fun or pleasant—something that can be endured.

Aside from Johnson’s athletic successes, his ability to transition from the zany, political and often immature world of pro wrestling to become one of Hollywood’s brightest stars is proof of his mental toughness and determination.

“Dwayne’s success in the WWE and Hollywood is also an indicator of his work ethic, intelligence and drive,” Gibson says. “People often get caught up in the physical traits that are required to be a fighter, but when I’m looking at developing a prospect, intelligence and work ethic are the traits that are the most important to me.”

“I don’t think there’s any doubt that Rock is a driven individual. He’s a winner, one of those guys who seems destined to succeed in anything he chooses to put his mind to,” Snowden says.

“He had the mental skills to make it to the top of the wrestling business, which is a brutal game to navigate. Then, at the very peak of his popularity, he had the mental acuity to get out and become the biggest action star in Hollywood, in a movie business which makes wrestling look pristine by comparison,” Doyle says. “Nothing about that chain of events suggests mental weakness.”

Doyle first encountered Johnson in 2006 at UFC 60. Johnson, Doyle says, was in his seat for the very first preliminary fight, before the UFC’s hardcore fans had even bothered to find their seats. During an intermission, Doyle spoke to Johnson about his interest in the sport. Johnson, he says, had trained with Ken Shamrock at the famed Lion’s Den.

Johnson also told Doyle that if MMA had been a viable career path back in 1998, he would “absolutely” have given it a shot instead of pro wrestling. Of course, the willingness to give it a shot is no guarantee of success in combat sports.

“At the end of the day, the Mike Tyson quote ‘Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth’ still holds true,” Doyle says. “Who knows how he’d react to getting clobbered by one of today’s elite fighters? But beyond that, given his knowledge and passion for the product and the success he’s had in every other endeavor he’s pursued, why wouldn’t he have found success in MMA as well?”

Last Saturday, Johnson attended UFC 214 in Anaheim. After Jon Jones finished Daniel Cormier to win back the UFC light heavyweight title in the main event, Johnson went backstage and met with Jackson, Gibson and Jackson-Winkeljohn wrestling coach Izzy Martinez in Jones’ locker room.

Johnson raved about the performance he’d just seen from Jones. He also told the team the story of how he nearly pursued mixed martial arts. “We all had a good laugh telling him that he certainly made the right career choice,” Gibson says. And Jackson told Johnson that the doors to his gym are always open for Johnson to swing by, even if it’s just to check the place out.

Which is not to say everyone wants to see Johnson in the Octagon.

“I’m glad he didn’t [pursue MMA],” says Jackson. “He makes really fun movies.”

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‘He’s a F–king Monster’: Tim Duncan’s Kickboxing Trainer Opens Up

There’s something striking about watching a 7-footer kickbox. Even more so when that 7-footer is perhaps the greatest power forward in NBA history, Tim Duncan. (Fine, fine, he’s listed at 6’11” and mostly played center, but you get the point.)
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There’s something striking about watching a 7-footer kickbox. Even more so when that 7-footer is perhaps the greatest power forward in NBA history, Tim Duncan. (Fine, fine, he’s listed at 6’11” and mostly played center, but you get the point.)

Jason Echols of Echols Fitness in San Antonio recently posted a video on Facebook of him and the Spurs legend kickboxing—a clip that quickly accumulated nearly 200,000 views.

To find out what it’s like to fight one of the greatest basketball players ever to live, we asked Echols himself, who’s been training Duncan for nearly a decade. Echols spoke to Bleacher Report about how he began working with Duncan, whether The Big Fundamental is as vanilla as he is stereotyped to be and what it’s like to watch the recent retiree fight another Spurs legendThe General, David Robinson. 

       

Bleacher Report: How did you meet Tim Duncan and how did you become his trainer?

Jason Echols: One other guy I knew had a fitness gym going, and we were both martial artists. Therefore, we had a little martial arts training circle happening where guys were coming in and out. Tim was just a friend of a friend, and he popped in and we just hit it off. We continued training, and the rest is history. That was 2008 or 2009. It’s been a while.

      

B/R: What was your first impression of him?

JE: When he walked in the door, I could see that he was very hungry to learn martial arts, and his movement, his absorption of the martial arts was just phenomenal. You could really see the athleticism that existed in him already. It caught onto these movements, and he was able to absorb them better and pick it up better than the average person because of his athleticism. His size…it’s incredible to watch him move. Now the world is seeing it.

 

        

B/R: He’s much bigger than the average kickboxer. How does that affect how you train him and how he goes about his training regimen?

JE: I’m 5’10”, so to be in front of someone of that size, it takes more physical energy to train a beast like that. It’s hard holding the mitts for him, hard getting hit by him. Even though he’s lugging on me and not executing full power, just to take a wallop from his leg, it’s quite an impact.

      

B/R: Did you have any expectations when you met him about what he might be like?

JE: I was never a sports fan other than UFC and kickboxing. I was never into basketball or football or anything. Being in San Antonio, it’s hard to not know who Tim Duncan is. When he walked in, he was always the quiet guy in the public eye; I believe I saw a different side of him, because he’s a roaring lion in martial arts.

He’s an animal. It’s a different thing than what you see out on the court. The more intense the training gets, the more calm he becomes, which you’ve seen on the court. The way he executes the movements, he’s a f–king monster.

      

B/R: Any stories from training with him?

JE: One time, I tore my bicep just trying to move with him at a higher-level pace. He’s so big and his elbows are like spears and his bones are really sharp. Just interacting and punching with him, I hit him with a right hook and his elbow caught the inside of my bicep and tore it right off, just from moving around. Whatever pace I’m at, he sets it. The roaring lion is his passion to learn, his passion to pick up the movements. He’s really, really passionate and into the idea of martial arts. It’s cool to watch.

        

B/R: What is he like as a person, having worked with him for a long time?

JE: The public has an opinion on him, and mine is a little bit different. He’s known as the good, quiet guy. I get to see his passion, and he’s incredibly funny. He’s a super humorous guy. We laugh our asses off a lot when we’re training. I think he’s actually a better person than the public even thinks he is.

One time he came in and said, “Stephen Jackson wants to spar with me.” I asked, “Who’s Stephen Jackson?” We both started laughing ’cause it was a sports player I clearly should’ve known, but because I didn’t, we both started cracking up and laughing. I don’t know much about the NBA, and I think he delights in that. The dude’s hilarious.

       

B/R: What has surprised you about working with him?

JE: His passion. His ability to want to learn and continue learning. We play a little game called violent chess. His intensity and strategical thinking—being in front of someone like that is extremely intimidating because of his size. I think most of all, his athleticism and size has surprised me the most. He’s a roaring lion, and I can see his passion—he has to turn it down a bit. If I hold up the mitts, he could just let it go and tear my arm off.

      

B/R: What do you remember from the first time fighting him?

JE: I remember being very ready to run. I would stick and run. He figured out my game and worked his way around it. I’ve had some very rough gos in front of him. When he wasn’t playing in the offseason, we would turn it up quite a bit. It was very surprising to me how aggressive and intense he was.

       

B/R: Where does he rank among the guys you’ve trained?

JE: He’s my No. 1 student by far. Again, his athleticism and size and competitive spirit and his exposure to being an athlete. I jokingly said to someone else that it could be a cupcake-baking contest and he would win because he’s just good at whatever he does. The sophistication level of him absorbing the martial arts that we have is very, very high. It’s hard for him to catch up with his capabilities.

       

B/R: When you tell people that you train Tim Duncan, what is their reaction?

JE: Excitement. People get excited. They really like it. I’ve been in San Antonio most of my life, so most of the people that I speak to know me or know of me. It’s really an exciting deal to say I train Tim.

I don’t know if you know this, but I’ve had the pleasure of working with David Robinson, too, and he’s another incredibly humongous, crazy amazing guy that’s been coming through. It’s neat to say I’ve had the Twin Towers come through Echols Fitness.

       

B/R: If David Robinson and Tim Duncan square off, who would win?

JE: They’ve done a bit of it already. David is at a level where he’s not as advanced as Tim is. He started more recently than Tim, but to watch those two guys move around together is definitely a spectacular sight to see. Maybe the public will see [that] in the coming days. You never know.

        

B/R: What is it like to see that happen?

JE: I sat next to David Robinson’s son, Justin [a 6’9″ redshirt sophomore with the Duke basketball team], and we sat there with our mouths hanging open. It was bizarre. They’re freaking enormous. We were in shock. Tim would turn around and wait for us to say something coach-like, but I was stunned. There was nothing I could say. They are both so humongous.

       

B/R: If Tim Duncan or David Robinson wanted to get into MMA, would they would be able to compete?

JE: [Duncan] would be a legit competitor. For sure. He has a desire to learn and compete. He has the heart for it. He most definitely would be a competitor. I would highly encourage him not to. Being a retired Spurs player, I wouldn’t want him going out there and getting punched and kicked by some of those guys, but Tim would be a competitor. David would learn to become one. They are both competitive guys and not used to losing.

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Jon Jones Trolls Daniel Cormier with Photo of Carl Winslow Before UFC 197

Jon Jones isn’t pulling any punches before UFC 197.On Tuesday, the former champion trolled upcoming opponent and current belt holder Daniel Cormier with a photoshopped picture of Carl Winslow from Family Matters.No caption needed for that one.This come…

Jon Jones isn’t pulling any punches before UFC 197.

On Tuesday, the former champion trolled upcoming opponent and current belt holder Daniel Cormier with a photoshopped picture of Carl Winslow from Family Matters.

No caption needed for that one.

This comes a week after the fighters threw some serious haymakers at one another online. With the showdown still nearly two months away, expect the jabs to continue flying.

[Instagram]

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Lightweight UFC Fighter Nate Diaz Calls Out Conor McGregor with Wild NSFW Rant

Warning: Video contains NSFW language.Conor McGregor is never one to hold back. Neither is Nate Diaz.After beating Michael Johnson on Saturday night at UFC on Fox 17 in Orlando, Florida, the lightweight Diaz called out the featherweight champion with a…

Warning: Video contains NSFW language.

Conor McGregor is never one to hold back. Neither is Nate Diaz.

After beating Michael Johnson on Saturday night at UFC on Fox 17 in Orlando, Florida, the lightweight Diaz called out the featherweight champion with a rant that you wouldn’t want your grandparents to hear:

Conor McGregor, you’re taking everything I work for, motherf——r. I’m gonna fight your f——g ass. You know what the real fight—the real money fight—is: Me. Not these clowns that you already punked at the press conference. Don’t no one want to see that. You know you beat them already. That’s an easy fight. You want that real s–t? Right here. Hey, and another…

That’s when Joe Rogan cut him off—which, at that point, was like putting a Band-Aid on a broken bone.

Pay careful attention to McGregor in the coming days. It’s unlikely the King of Dublin lets this slide without chiming in.

[Streamable, h/t Bro Bible]

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Joe Rogan’s Facial Expression After Ronda Rousey Got Knocked out Was Priceless

Joe Rogan’s face spoke for us all Saturday night.After UFC superstar Ronda Rousey got knocked out by a lethal kick from Holly Holm, the commentator was absolutely stunned.It looked like Rogan couldn’t believe what he’d just seen—and keep in mind …

Joe Rogan‘s face spoke for us all Saturday night.

After UFC superstar Ronda Rousey got knocked out by a lethal kick from Holly Holm, the commentator was absolutely stunned.

It looked like Rogan couldn’t believe what he’d just seen—and keep in mind that as the former host of Fear Factor, this dude has seen more than most.

[YouTube, h/t BarDown]

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J.J. Watt Backs Ronda Rousey Before Holly Holm Fight at UFC 193

As the age-old saying goes, “real recognize real.”Houston Texans defensive end J.J. Watt is a scary dude on the gridiron, so it makes sense that he would be supporting UFC bantamweight champion Ronda Rousey, arguably the most intimidating athlete in sp…

As the age-old saying goes, “real recognize real.”

Houston Texans defensive end J.J. Watt is a scary dude on the gridiron, so it makes sense that he would be supporting UFC bantamweight champion Ronda Rousey, arguably the most intimidating athlete in sports.

With Rousey set to defend her title against Holly Holm at UFC 193 Saturday night in Melbourne, Australia, the reigning NFL Defensive Player of the Year made it clear whom he’s rooting for, sending out a picture of himself on Instagram donning a shirt depicting the champ.

[J.J. Watt, h/t Fox Sports]

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