Stop the Drama: Frankie Edgar vs. BJ Penn Isn’t Pointless

Ariel Helwani’s announcement on UFC Tonight on Wednesday (h/t Fox Sports) that former UFC lightweight and welterweight champion BJ Penn would be returning from a brief pseudo-retirement to serve as a coach on The Ultimate Fighter 19 was met with a curi…

Ariel Helwani’s announcement on UFC Tonight on Wednesday (h/t Fox Sports) that former UFC lightweight and welterweight champion BJ Penn would be returning from a brief pseudo-retirement to serve as a coach on The Ultimate Fighter 19 was met with a curious reaction, at least among those who reside on the Internet and consider their opinions to be hard facts agreed upon by the rest of the world.

Perhaps this is a bit harsh. But if I’m being honest with you—and what else do we have here, dear reader, except for the honesty between us?—I found the entire reaction a tad silly, if not downright ludicrous.

You’d think the end of the world was upon us, or at the very least that the UFC suddenly forgot how to make money. Or that Penn was somehowafter losing a few fights and looking lackluster in a weight class he never should have competed innever as good as he actually was.

Because that’s how things happen in this sporta fighter approaches his twilight years and loses a few fights, and then everything he accomplished before didn’t actually mean that much in the first place.

The biggest criticism I saw of Frankie Edgar vs. Penn 3 is that it was “pointless,” and I realized that perhaps not everyone understands what the word means.

Here is The Free Dictionary’s definition:

point·less
adj.
1. Lacking meaning; senseless.
2. Ineffectual: pointless attempts to rescue the victims of the raging fire.

You may not like the fight. Hell, given the reaction I saw from most of you, there’s a pretty good chance that you hate the fight. Which I assume means you won’t be watching next July when Penn and Edgar finally fight, except you will.

We all will. But that’s neither here nor there.

Pointless would indicate that there’s no reason for booking Edgar vs. Penn. Edgar has already beaten him twice, right? And so why would we want to see it happen a third time?

I can understand that line of thinking, and I’m right there with you in wanting to see both men fight other people. 

But that being said, it is not pointless. Not by any stretch of the imagination. And if you think that Dana Whitewho stopped short of saying that the winner would face featherweight champ Jose Aldois not above putting Penn in there with one of the modern pound-for-pound greats, you’ve already forgotten Jon Jones and Chael Sonnen occupying 12 weeks of time on your television before Sonnen stepped into the cage for a wholly undeserved title shot.

Penn doesn’t deserve Aldo. It’s ridiculous to think otherwise. And I don’t even know if Penn can make featherweight; after all, this is a man who struggled to make lightweight. He certainly has the frame, but the “motivated BJ Penn” meme was played out, oh, six or seven years ago. The proof is in the pudding, not in the talking that comes before the pudding.

But “deserve” isn’t the point. Who deserves what is rarely what spurs the UFC decision-making machine, and nearly every person who follows the sport religiously is aware of that. Or, at least they should be.

The point of all of this, of the entire sport, is to make the UFC money. And Edgar vs. Penn, even on the third iteration, is going to attract casual fans much more than any other featherweight would taking on Penn or Edgar separately. 

Well, except Edgar vs. Chad Mendes. That one would pull in hardcore fans and casuals alike.

I wish the UFC had been able to put together the deal for Edgar and Urijah Faber to coach the show. That’s much more intriguing than seeing Edgar and Penn go for a third time or watching Penn try to recapture some of his former glory in a different weight class against a man who has already beaten him twice.

But that doesn’t make the fight pointless. It has a point: to pull in television ratings on Fox Sports 1. To make the UFC some money, even if it’s a nominal amount. And to attract eyeballs that don’t spend their days on message boards, comment sections or Twitter.

Edgar vs. Penn isn’t pointless. It isn’t the best fight, but it’s not the worst either. And if you’re that adamant that you hate the idea so much, well, you always have the option of tuning out with your remote. Do it. Next summer, when the fight hits pay-per-view, don’t watch it. 

That’s not going to happen, though. And we both know it. 

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Stop the Drama: Frankie Edgar vs. BJ Penn Isn’t Pointless

Ariel Helwani’s announcement on UFC Tonight on Wednesday (h/t Fox Sports) that former UFC lightweight and welterweight champion BJ Penn would be returning from a brief pseudo-retirement to serve as a coach on The Ultimate Fighter 19 was met with a curi…

Ariel Helwani’s announcement on UFC Tonight on Wednesday (h/t Fox Sports) that former UFC lightweight and welterweight champion BJ Penn would be returning from a brief pseudo-retirement to serve as a coach on The Ultimate Fighter 19 was met with a curious reaction, at least among those who reside on the Internet and consider their opinions to be hard facts agreed upon by the rest of the world.

Perhaps this is a bit harsh. But if I’m being honest with you—and what else do we have here, dear reader, except for the honesty between us?—I found the entire reaction a tad silly, if not downright ludicrous.

You’d think the end of the world was upon us, or at the very least that the UFC suddenly forgot how to make money. Or that Penn was somehowafter losing a few fights and looking lackluster in a weight class he never should have competed innever as good as he actually was.

Because that’s how things happen in this sporta fighter approaches his twilight years and loses a few fights, and then everything he accomplished before didn’t actually mean that much in the first place.

The biggest criticism I saw of Frankie Edgar vs. Penn 3 is that it was “pointless,” and I realized that perhaps not everyone understands what the word means.

Here is The Free Dictionary’s definition:

point·less
adj.
1. Lacking meaning; senseless.
2. Ineffectual: pointless attempts to rescue the victims of the raging fire.

You may not like the fight. Hell, given the reaction I saw from most of you, there’s a pretty good chance that you hate the fight. Which I assume means you won’t be watching next July when Penn and Edgar finally fight, except you will.

We all will. But that’s neither here nor there.

Pointless would indicate that there’s no reason for booking Edgar vs. Penn. Edgar has already beaten him twice, right? And so why would we want to see it happen a third time?

I can understand that line of thinking, and I’m right there with you in wanting to see both men fight other people. 

But that being said, it is not pointless. Not by any stretch of the imagination. And if you think that Dana Whitewho stopped short of saying that the winner would face featherweight champ Jose Aldois not above putting Penn in there with one of the modern pound-for-pound greats, you’ve already forgotten Jon Jones and Chael Sonnen occupying 12 weeks of time on your television before Sonnen stepped into the cage for a wholly undeserved title shot.

Penn doesn’t deserve Aldo. It’s ridiculous to think otherwise. And I don’t even know if Penn can make featherweight; after all, this is a man who struggled to make lightweight. He certainly has the frame, but the “motivated BJ Penn” meme was played out, oh, six or seven years ago. The proof is in the pudding, not in the talking that comes before the pudding.

But “deserve” isn’t the point. Who deserves what is rarely what spurs the UFC decision-making machine, and nearly every person who follows the sport religiously is aware of that. Or, at least they should be.

The point of all of this, of the entire sport, is to make the UFC money. And Edgar vs. Penn, even on the third iteration, is going to attract casual fans much more than any other featherweight would taking on Penn or Edgar separately. 

Well, except Edgar vs. Chad Mendes. That one would pull in hardcore fans and casuals alike.

I wish the UFC had been able to put together the deal for Edgar and Urijah Faber to coach the show. That’s much more intriguing than seeing Edgar and Penn go for a third time or watching Penn try to recapture some of his former glory in a different weight class against a man who has already beaten him twice.

But that doesn’t make the fight pointless. It has a point: to pull in television ratings on Fox Sports 1. To make the UFC some money, even if it’s a nominal amount. And to attract eyeballs that don’t spend their days on message boards, comment sections or Twitter.

Edgar vs. Penn isn’t pointless. It isn’t the best fight, but it’s not the worst either. And if you’re that adamant that you hate the idea so much, well, you always have the option of tuning out with your remote. Do it. Next summer, when the fight hits pay-per-view, don’t watch it. 

That’s not going to happen, though. And we both know it. 

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Twitter Reacts to BJ Penn vs. Frankie Edgar TUF Announcement

Big news coming out today on UFC Tonight on Fox Sports 1 that former UFC welterweight and lightweight champion BJ Penn will be coming out of retirement to coach The Ultimate Fighter season 19 opposite Frankie Edgar.
The shocking cherry on top of that s…

Big news coming out today on UFC Tonight on Fox Sports 1 that former UFC welterweight and lightweight champion BJ Penn will be coming out of retirement to coach The Ultimate Fighter season 19 opposite Frankie Edgar.

The shocking cherry on top of that startling sundae is that their coaches’ fight would be at 145 lbs, which is completely unknown ground for Penn.

Naturally, the entire MMA world blew up over the news, and reactions have been both many and mixed. First, let’s see what our own Bleacher Report MMA crew had to say. Unsurprisingly, like the rest of the world, reactions ran the gamut:

Lead Writer Jeremy Botter had pointed words for all the naysayers that came out:

Naturally, Bleacher Report wasn’t the only site to offer sudden reactions to the news. The rest of the MMA media came out in force:

Fighters, though, were were considerably more positive when it came to their reactions to the news. Strikeforce import and UFC lightweight contender Pat Healy had this to say: 

Frankie Edgar’s training partner, WSOF bantamweight fighter Marlon Moraes, gave a shout-out to his buddy:

Our own Damon Martin brought us a great tidbit of news in the middle of the action:

While the weight divisions and taping are set, fans will have to wait on news regarding contestants. They can, however, look for the series to debut sometime in April 2014. 

Stick with Bleacher Report for more information on TUF 19 as it approaches, and make sure to keep an eye out for our TUF 18 coverage! 

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BJ Penn and Frankie Edgar to Coach TUF 19, Then Meet in a Featherweight Bout in April 2014


(Quick, BJ! Lose ten pounds! It’s your only hope! / Photo via Getty)

Man, these Ultimate Fighter seasons are getting crazier and crazier, aren’t they? First we had Jon Jones vs. a guy who had absolutely no right to be in the Octagon with him, then we had the Ronda Rousey co-ed slumber party spectacular, and now the UFC is going to give us Frankie Edgar vs. a painfully skinny version of an old semi-retired guy he already beat twice.

Yes, folks, it’s official, and kind of bizarre: BJ Penn is coming out of his temporary hiatus to coach against Frankie Edgar on the 19th season of TUF (debut date TBA). The two former lightweight champs will face off in a featherweight bout next April. The news was confirmed on this evening’s installment of UFC Tonight. As UFC president Dana White explained, the UFC was originally thinking of putting together Frankie Edgar vs. Urijah Faber as TUF 19 coaches, but the fighters couldn’t agree on a weight class. (Edgar didn’t want to drop down to 135, Faber didn’t want to go back up to 145, and Dana White wasn’t sold on the idea of a catchweight fight.)

So then (as the story goes), BJ Penn randomly calls Dana White and says he wants to fight Benson Henderson (?), as a way to earn his way back to a redemption fight against Frankie Edgar at featherweight (??). Does that plan make tons of sense? Not really. But White was happy to take the opportunity that presented itself, and offered Penn an immediate fight against Edgar if he coached TUF. White also claimed that Penn is super fired up about fighting Edgar again, because his previous losses to Edgar feel like “a pebble in his shoe.”


(Quick, BJ! Lose ten pounds! It’s your only hope! / Photo via Getty)

Man, these Ultimate Fighter seasons are getting crazier and crazier, aren’t they? First we had Jon Jones vs. a guy who had absolutely no right to be in the Octagon with him, then we had the Ronda Rousey co-ed slumber party spectacular, and now the UFC is going to give us Frankie Edgar vs. a painfully skinny version of an old semi-retired guy he already beat twice.

Yes, folks, it’s official, and kind of bizarre: BJ Penn is coming out of his temporary hiatus to coach against Frankie Edgar on the 19th season of TUF (debut date TBA). The two former lightweight champs will face off in a featherweight bout next April. The news was confirmed on this evening’s installment of UFC Tonight. As UFC president Dana White explained, the UFC was originally thinking of putting together Frankie Edgar vs. Urijah Faber as TUF 19 coaches, but the fighters couldn’t agree on a weight class. (Edgar didn’t want to drop down to 135, Faber didn’t want to go back up to 145, and Dana White wasn’t sold on the idea of a catchweight fight.)

So then (as the story goes), BJ Penn randomly calls Dana White and says he wants to fight Benson Henderson (?), as a way to earn his way back to a redemption fight against Frankie Edgar at featherweight (??). Does that plan make tons of sense? Not really. But White was happy to take the opportunity that presented itself, and offered Penn an immediate fight against Edgar if he coached TUF. White also claimed that Penn is super fired up about fighting Edgar again, because his previous losses to Edgar feel like “a pebble in his shoe.”

First off, we’re a little skeptical about BJ’s chances of making 145 pounds. (If he goes down with a sudden injury a month out from the fight, don’t say we didn’t warn you.) But more than that, we’re talking about the third fight in a series that already seemed to be settled in the rematch, when Frankie Edgar dominated Penn at UFC 118. Will there be any interest in another go-round where Penn is at an even greater disadvantage, coming back from a 16-month layoff and fighting in a weight-class he’s never competed in before?

It’s a good publicity stunt, but I’m not buying this one as a competitive fight. What do the rest of you shmoes think? The Answer vs. The Hawaiian Skeleton — who ya got?

UFC: Why Jose Aldo vs. Anthony Pettis Superfight Isn’t Super Just Yet

By most accounts, when Anthony Pettis defeated Benson Henderson to claim the lightweight title at UFC 164, the final puzzle piece fell into place for a “Superfight” with Jose Aldo.
The last time this fight was in the works, there was someth…

By most accounts, when Anthony Pettis defeated Benson Henderson to claim the lightweight title at UFC 164, the final puzzle piece fell into place for a “Superfight” with Jose Aldo.

The last time this fight was in the works, there was something missing: a second title belt.

Now, Pettis has the lightweight belt, and his calling out of Aldo seemed to be exactly what every Superfight fan has been waiting for.

After all, without another belt on the line, a fight between Aldo and Pettis would be nothing more than just another title fight. But in his willingness to bring the lightweight title into the mix, Pettis isn’t just a challenger, he’s a champion wanting to face another champion.

Obviously, from a purely technical standpoint, a bout between Aldo and Pettis makes the mouth water.

Both fighters are young, explosive and love to stand and trade—and they are both damn good at the standing and trading.

In addition, both men are on the same kind of recovery timetable. Aldo broke his foot against Chan Sung Jung earlier this month and Pettis suffered a knee injury in his title winning effort against Henderson.

Many may rightly say that the time is now to make this Superfight happen, given all these reasons.

They think that after both men recover, the fight should be booked before random probability rears its ugly head and throws a monkey wrench into the whole damn thing.

And they have some good reasons to think this.

After all, a Superfight is all about timing. The longer a fight sits needlessly on the shelf, the quicker it looses its luster.

Important fights need to happen when both fighters are near their peaks, and right now, Aldo and Pettis are both in their prime. Both Aldo and Pettis are 26 years old, both are champions and both have the kind of exciting styles that are damn near guaranteed to bring some veritable fireworks.

But there is a bit more that needs to happen before this fight becomes a “Superfight.”

In his victory at UFC 164, Pettis was a headliner under the UFC banner for the very first time and he made the most of it. He dispatched Henderson inside of the first round, and therein we find part of the problem: he was on stage less than five minutes.

The majority of the viewing populace—the ones that buy the pay-per-views in the numbers required to make a fight a “Superfight”—don’t know Pettis well enough just yet.

Aldo, for his part, has been in the headliner slot four times in the UFC, but only two of those bouts were in America; decision wins against Kenny Florian and Frankie Edgar.

Both men are far greater than their limited popularity would indicate. But they need more exposure, in a big way.

In the early part of their careers, Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns almost met before their bout in 1981.

Both men were clearly head and shoulders above all the rest, but Leonard’s trainer, Angelo Dundee, knew the time wasn’t right. He knew a fight between Leonard and Hearns could be huge, but only after both men endeared the hearts of fight fans on a broader scale.

When Georges St-Pierre met BJ Penn for the second time, both fighters were well known.

St-Pierre had been in the headlining position for five UFC events before he tangled with Penn the second time and had fought a total of 13 times before in the UFC. Penn had headlined five UFC events as well (13 total for the UFC) in addition to being a coach on The Ultimate Fighter, season five.

It may sound as if I am dismissing this bout for cosmetic reasons, but I am not. In fact, no true fan of the sport that follows it with any dedication would dismiss such a great fight.

But everyone else just might, and that would be a tragedy.

Very rarely does the sport of MMA come close to offering the viewing public the kind of bout that boxing has been able to do in the past.

Barrera vs. Morales, Leonard vs. Hearns—these were bouts that had to be made because of the greatness of the men involved. MMA has never really seen this with any kind of consistency. In a sport where there are so many ways to loose, when a natural barn burner of a bout arises, by way of due process, one of the fighters usually gets knocked off by someone unexpected.

But maybe that’s the way it should be, because a bout between Aldo and Pettis would be an incredible fight, but it wouldn’t be a Superfight—not yet.

But it shouldn’t take that long, either.

Two more successful title defenses for each man, in Vegas, would do very well toward selling the virtue of their eventual confrontation. One of the things about Superfights is that they are a kind of wish fulfillment. Fans watch great fighters who seem to have no peer, and they begin to talk: “Wouldn’t it be great if that Aldo fella could tangle with that Pettis kid?”

“Yeah, partner, it would. It would be super.”

You can’t force it down their throats; boxing has been doing that very thing for a long time, and the fans can tell the difference.

They know they never got the fight they really wanted—Mayweather vs. Pacquiao—but they’ll take what they can because what is a boxing fan to do?

In order for Aldo and Pettis to get the recognition their fight (or fights, hopefully a trilogy if the gods are kind) deserves, the fans have to be talking about it and daydreaming about it before it becomes a reality.

Superfights aren’t a matter of sleight of hand and snake oil salesmanship; they’re waking up to Christmas morning dreams come true.

But just as Christmas is only Christmas because everyone knows the date, a Superfight is only as good as the names involved; so much so that the virtue of such high violence sells itself.

Perhaps another way to get such a bout the attention it needs is to expose the masses to both of these fine fighters during a season of The Ultimate Fighter.

It may seem fabricated, but if there is anyone who could use the show to get under the skin of Aldo, it’s the ultra-confident and proud Pettis, and a little bad blood isn’t a bad thing in the fight game.

Of course, at times like these we are reminded of the question of a tree falling in the woods. Does it make a sound when it comes crashing down if there is no one there to hear it?

While I cannot prove a positive or a negative, I can say with certainty that a fight between Aldo and Pettis must not suffer such limitations. It’s a fight that needs to be seen and heard by everyone who loves great fights.

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                                                           

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MMA Impressions With Jade Bryce, Part 2: The Thrill of Victory [VIDEO]

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Well, we warned you. Bellator ring girl Jade Bryce has returned for another installment of “MMA Impressions” for CagePotato.com, in which she gives her own unique take on these classic victory celebrations:

BJ Penn‘s blood-licking
Stephan Bonnar‘s thousand-yard stare
Ronaldo “Jacare” Souza‘s gator-crawl
Anderson Silva‘s guitar-strum
Phil Baroni‘s “I’M THE MAN!” speech
Roy Nelson‘s belly-rub
Tito Ortiz‘s grave-digger
– The Rampage howl
Jamie Varner‘s chicken/naptime/worm routine
King Mo‘s energy-drink shower

Epic upon epic. If you dug this video, let Jade know on Twitter @TheJadeBryce, and get to know her even better at OfficialJadeBryce.com!


(Watch the video in HD for the best experience, and subscribe to our YouTube channel here!)

Well, we warned you. Bellator ring girl Jade Bryce has returned for another installment of “MMA Impressions” for CagePotato.com, in which she gives her own unique take on these classic victory celebrations:

BJ Penn‘s blood-licking
Stephan Bonnar‘s thousand-yard stare
Ronaldo “Jacare” Souza‘s gator-crawl
Anderson Silva‘s guitar-strum
Phil Baroni‘s “I’M THE MAN!” speech
Roy Nelson‘s belly-rub
Tito Ortiz‘s grave-digger
– The Rampage howl
Jamie Varner‘s chicken/naptime/worm routine
King Mo‘s energy-drink shower

Epic upon epic. If you dug this video, let Jade know on Twitter @TheJadeBryce, and get to know her even better at OfficialJadeBryce.com!