MMA Fighters Wanting to Enter the Boxing Ring? Please, No More

So, just when it seemed that the two premier combative sports on the planet were content to agree to disagree and coexist as best they can, Junior dos Santos is coming out and saying he could knock out Wladimir Klitschko in what we assume to be a boxin…

So, just when it seemed that the two premier combative sports on the planet were content to agree to disagree and coexist as best they can, Junior dos Santos is coming out and saying he could knock out Wladimir Klitschko in what we assume to be a boxing match.

Eh, not so much.

Granted, there is no harm in one man having a strong opinion and a confidence in his own abilities. Dos Santos is the UFC heavyweight champ, and that’s no easy bull to ride. I think I would be more worried about him if he wasn’t confident.

But I do begin to worry when a certain MMA fighter begins to bring up the subject of how they could defeat a boxer in a boxing ring, over and over. Thinking about it whimsically is one thing, but to seriously contemplate the feat is another.

Dos Santos is not alone in his belief that he could easily transition to the world of boxing and dominate: Nick Diaz was in negotiations with boxing promoters to fight Jeff “Left Hook” Lacy, and then we have Anderson Silva, who still seems to be holding on to the dream of boxing Roy Jones Jr.

God, please no.

Diaz, Silva and dos Santos have great boxing in the world of MMA, but in a boxing match they would get eaten alive.

In regard to dos Santos, either Klitschko brother would give him a pronounced beating, and Wladimir would almost surely knock him out. MMA-style boxing is a totally different animal than traditional boxing, built around the notion that you must be able to stuff takedowns, block kicks, etc—and that does not translate well into the world of professional boxing.

Compared to the Klitschkos, dos Santos has almost no defensive skills and far too many bad habits that would see him countered to death. It wouldn’t be competitive once dos Santos realized that his bull rushes and clinches don’t do much in boxing except get you warnings from the referee.

Diaz, for his part, seemed a bit more humble while he was pursuing an entry into the world of professional boxing—but Jeff Lacy would have probably taken his head off in the first round. Once again, severe defensive deficiencies (like little to no head movement) would see Diaz get hit flush—hard and often. Couple that with the power Lacy generates, and you get Diaz laying flat on his back, blinking into the overhead lighting.

Then, there is the case of Anderson Silva, who seems to want to fight Roy Jones Jr. simply because he idolizes the man and has a true love for professional boxing. There is a reverence Silva has when he speaks about the sport and Jones, which almost makes it easier to swallow.

But even against a well-past-his-prime Jones, Silva would get utterly annihilated. As bad as Silva made Griffin and Bonnar look, Jones would make him look worse. Silva may look like a defensive genius in MMA, but against a fighter with the speed and experience of Jones, he’d be very hittable.

A time must come when men such as dos Santos, Diaz and Silva finally understand that there is such a thing as serendipity. They are among some of the best MMA fighters of their divisions and generations because they were destined to be MMA fighters, not boxers.

Sooner or later, some successful, highly praised and thought to be unbeatable MMA fighter is going to let this kind of thinking go to his head, and he’ll leverage his fame and standing to get his wish: a boxing match with a good boxer.

Then, he’s going to get his pride and reputation handed back to him, in pieces, and he will carry those pieces to bed with him every night for the rest of his life. This might sound like a simple thing, but many a fighter doesn’t bounce back from a true humiliation, and given the enormous scope and spotlight the rivalry between MMA and boxing is…well, he’d have to move to the North Pole to avoid hearing about it.

More and more boxers are beginning to voice their admiration for MMA. For every uninformed comment by Zab Judah or Floyd Mayweather Jr., you have fighters and trainers like Wladimir Klitschko, Mike Tyson, Freddie Roach and others who honestly appreciate the sport and treat it with humility and respect.

There will always be a rivalry between the two sports, and as long as there is a separation between them, a little back-and-forth across the fence is fine, and in some ways good for business.

But when MMA fighters of high renown begin talking as if their sport isn’t challenging them enough and begin eyeing the professional boxing ring, we can only hope that they have someone in their camp to remind them that one cannot serve two masters.

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So, Roy Jones Jr. And ‘Kimbo Slice’ Are Going to Fight Each Other

If it wasn’t already crystal clear that former pound for pound boxing great Roy Jones Jr.’s near twenty-five year career had gone on for far too long, Thursday it was announced that he will fight Kevin ‘Kimbo Slice’ Ferguson in Jamaica in December. This fight that no one asked for and that no self-respecting athletic commission would sanction is apparently being made possible by something called Giomax Entertainment Company and Stewart’s Auto Sales.

Yup.

Jones went the first fourteen years or so of his professional boxing career without a real loss (He was disqualified for hitting Montell Griffin while he was down in 1997 and promptly KO’d him when they re-matched five months later) and dominated multiple weight classes on his way to being considered, at times, the world’s best boxer, pound for pound. But since 2004 Jones has gone 7-7, with four of those losses being ugly knockouts or TKO’s.

If it wasn’t already crystal clear that former pound for pound boxing great Roy Jones Jr.’s near twenty-five year career had gone on for far too long, Thursday it was announced that he will fight Kevin ‘Kimbo Slice’ Ferguson in Jamaica in December. This fight that no one asked for and that no self-respecting athletic commission would sanction is apparently being made possible by something called Giomax Entertainment Company and Stewart’s Auto Sales.

Yup.

Jones went the first fourteen years or so of his professional boxing career without a real loss (He was disqualified for hitting Montell Griffin while he was down in 1997 and promptly KO’d him when they re-matched five months later) and dominated multiple weight classes on his way to being considered, at times, the world’s best boxer, pound for pound. But since 2004 Jones has gone 7-7, with four of those losses being ugly knockouts or TKO’s.

And so, it has come to this for Jones Jr. Fighting Slice, who is best known for fighting boxing schlubs in South Florida and having those sloppy competitions posted on YouTube, will be a career-low for Jones.

Sure, Kimbo moved past dock boxing to, first, getting propped (EliteXC) and then easily over matched (UFC) up in MMA, and since moving to professional boxing recently he’s built a 5-0 record. We can’t begrudge Slice his financial success and for taking his fame and running with it but Jones has over sixty professional boxing matches, before that was an Olympian (Do yourself a favor and see him dominate the ’88 Olympics and then get screwed out of the gold medal, if you haven’t already).

Jones Jr. vs. Kimbo is a textbook example of the worst part of the fight world – businessmen trying to make a quick buck with sad and silly match ups that exploit fighters and put them at risk. We really have no interest in promoting this bout anymore than we just have so if you want details of when this piece of garbage is supposed to happen, and where, check out the doting article written by The Jamaican Observer.

– Elias Cepeda

12 Boxers We’d Love to See Inside the Octagon

Since MMA went mainstream, one of the debates with regards to boxing is how would a prizefighter fare inside a steel cage with a fighter whom at the best of times also has the sweet science incorporated into their skill set? Well it has happened on mor…

Since MMA went mainstream, one of the debates with regards to boxing is how would a prizefighter fare inside a steel cage with a fighter whom at the best of times also has the sweet science incorporated into their skill set?

Well it has happened on more than one occasion, and with mixed results.

Former Olympic Gold medalist and WBO heavyweight champion Ray “Merciless” Mercer made his first foray into the mixed martial arts world, his opponent was former UFC employee and street fighting Internet sensation Kimbo Slice.

That said, Mercer lost the bout via Guillotine choke.

His second and last fight in an MMA capacity was a nine-second knockout of former UFC heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia (MMA rules weren’t applied).

Though, the highest profile boxer to set foot into a steel cage, in this instance the Octagon, was none other than three-division world champion James “Lights Out” Toney.

It was a disaster in the making or better yet, a disaster waiting to happen. With little or no MMA experience, Toney was clinically and systematically put to sleep via arm triangle choke, courtesy of Randy “The Natural” Couture at UFC 118.

Shocking as it might seem, Lights Out presently harbours thoughts of throwing down with Quinton “Rampage” Jackson and a certain Frank Shamrock.

With bated breath we wait, I think not.                             

Still, despite the shortcomings of the professional pugilist vis-à-vis everything MMA, some fans still entertain the idea of seeing the pugilist vs. the mixed martial artist.

Let’s take a look at some of those from the persuasion of the sweet science we’d love to see in the UFC’s Octagon.

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Anderson Silva More Interested in Fighting Roy Jones Jr. Than Jon Jones

Filed under: UFCOf the Joneses, UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva is much more interested in the boxing great as an opponent than the current UFC light heavyweight champion.

Silva has made it clear it’s his dream to fight his idol Roy Jones Jr….

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Of the Joneses, UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva is much more interested in the boxing great as an opponent than the current UFC light heavyweight champion.

Silva has made it clear it’s his dream to fight his idol Roy Jones Jr. and at 36 with “maybe five more years” in the MMA game, Silva still has the desire to box the 42-year-old Jones Jr.

“Maybe finish my contract for UFC, finish my fights in MMA, I’ll go,” Silva said Monday on The MMA Hour. “This is my goal for my career. It’s my dream — is to fight Roy Jones and boxing.”

Roy Nelson No Longer in UFC?

Looks like UFC Heavyweight, Roy Nelson has been contracted under Roy Jones Jr.’s Square Ring, Inc. throughout his entire UFC career including his time on TUF 10. The Zuffa legal team is looking into the matter and UFC President, Dana White plans to put Nelson’s fight plans on hold “until the matter is resolved.”
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Looks like UFC Heavyweight, Roy Nelson has been contracted under Roy Jones Jr.’s Square Ring, Inc. throughout his entire UFC career including his time on TUF 10. The Zuffa legal team is looking into the matter and UFC President, Dana White plans to put Nelson’s fight plans on hold “until the matter is resolved.”

Nelson who didn’t seem to be aware of the fine print on his contract with Roy Jones Jr. has taken to his Twitter account to address the situation and how he plans to deal with it:

“Trying to do some non-MMA related work just in case this fighting stuff doesn’t work out, I need to start the James (Toney) thing. Just pick fights and then get paid, then have the IRS look into my independent contract status.”

Interesting note: Dana White told MMAJunkie :

“There’s organizations that are locking these guys up to the old-school boxing contracts,” White said. “The contracts that King and those guys were doing back in the 60s, 70s and 80s where they have options on top of their options – so your contract never ends with these guys.

“These are the kinds of contracts that some of these guys are signing in these other organizations out there that some of these MMA websites go, ‘Oh, stick up for these guys, they’re the small guys.’ The small guys are the guys that are really [expletive] the fighters.”

Yet, MMAJunkie reports on Nelson’s last fight with Roy Jones Jr.’s Square Ring, Inc.: “According to the Florida State Boxing Commission, Nelson earned $30,000 for his efforts.”

In his UFC 117 bout against Junior Do Santos, Nelson earned a $15,000 purse. Now this “MMA website” isn’t trying to argue who the bad guys are, but there’s a lot more for MMA fighters to consider, read and UNDERSTAND before signing any contract.

Whoops: Reports Say Roy Nelson Actually Under Contract to Somebody Else

("Read it? No, I *signed* it. We’re dealing with fight promoters here, I assumed they were on the level." Props: MMAConvert.com)
Well, this is embarrassing: As it turns out, UFC heavyweight contender Roy Nelson is allegedly still under contra…


("Read it? No, I *signed* it. We’re dealing with fight promoters here, I assumed they were on the level." Props: MMAConvert.com)

Well, this is embarrassing: As it turns out, UFC heavyweight contender Roy Nelson is allegedly still under contract to another fighting organization and has been during his entire UFC career, including three previous fights in the Octagon as well as his run to the championship of “The Ultimate Fighter” season 10. According to multiple internet reports, Nelson perhaps didn’t read all the fine print in the deal he signed with Roy Jones Jr.’s Square Ring, Inc., prior to his questionble decision loss to Jeff Monson in March, 2009. Now UFC President Dana White says “Big Country” will be on the shelf until the matter is resolved.     

See, this is what happens when fighters don’t have lawyers. Obviously, Nelson should’ve known his own contractual status but instead of just blaming the big guy, let’s be honest: This can only be considered a fuck-up of colossal proportions on the part UFC’s massive and notoriously aggressive legal team. It’s hard to fathom how they missed this, especially since legal documents obtained by The Fight Lawyer allege that UFC Vice President Marc Ratner knew about Nelson’s contract with Square Ring. Fortunately for Zuffa, The Fight Lawyer also assumes the company will just end up billing Nelson for any losses it incurs while sorting this mess out. Man, must be nice.

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