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MMA Top 10 Heavyweights: Two Stand Above the Rest

Filed under: UFC, Strikeforce, Rankings, HeavyweightsCain Velasquez and Junior dos Santos have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they’re the two best heavyweights in mixed martial arts. The rest of the division is a jumble.

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Cain Velasquez.Cain Velasquez and Junior dos Santos have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they’re the two best heavyweights in mixed martial arts. The rest of the division is a jumble.

Velasquez has dominated the best two opponents he’s fought, Brock Lesnar and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, finishing them both in the first round. Dos Santos has dominated the best two opponents he’s fought, Fabricio Werdum and Shane Carwin, finishing Werdum in the first round and brutalizing Carwin in the first round before coasting to a decision victory. None of the other top heavyweights in MMA has been so impressive against such high-quality opposition.

So in our latest rankings of the top heavyweights in MMA, Velasquez and dos Santos are a clear 1-2. See where 3-10 stack up below.

(Editor’s note: The individual fighter’s ranking the last time we did heavyweights are in parentheses.)

1. Cain Velasquez (1): Although the 9-0 Velasquez deserves to be considered the No. 1 heavyweight in the sport as long as he stays unbeaten, his inactivity because of a torn rotator cuff is going to raise serious questions about whether he’ll be able to return at 100 percent. He’s tentatively scheduled to defend his title on November 19, which is 392 days after he won the belt from Brock Lesnar. It’s never easy for a fighter to return after more than a year off, even if he’s completely healthy.

2. Junior dos Santos (2): After the whipping dos Santos put on Shane Carwin, it’s easy to see why the oddsmakers installed him as the favorite against Velasquez. Dos Santos is an amazing physical specimen whose striking technique is superb. He’s also younger than Velasquez and healthier than Velasquez, and there’s every reason to think he’ll return to the cage looking even better than he did against Carwin.

3. Alistair Overeem (7): I don’t want to diminish what Overeem accomplished against Fabricio Werdum: Overeem handily beat a man who had himself handily beaten Fedor Emelianenko, Antonio Silva and Mike Kyle in his last three fights. But Overeem didn’t do anything to make me think he’s on the same level as Velasquez and dos Santos.

4. Brock Lesnar (3): From all indications, Lesnar will sit out for well over a year when it’s all said and done: He fought Velasquez on October 23, 2010, and he likely won’t fight again until 2012. With his health problems and long periods of inactivity, it’s hard to see Lesnar ever becoming the champion again.

5. Fabricio Werdum (5): Werdum is the best heavyweight grappler in the world, but he’ll never be the best heavyweight MMA fighter in the world until he figures out a way to really exchange with good strikers. Werdum’s usual method is to get passive when a good striker hits him. Sometimes that works — as it did against Fedor, who foolishly jumped into Werdum’s guard after knocking him down. But usually it fails, as it did in Werdum’s decision losses to Overeem and to Andrei Arlovski. (Of course, Werdum’s stand-up really failed when he fought dos Santos, who knocked him cold in 81 seconds.)

6. Antonio Silva (6): Bigfoot will provide an interesting stylistic matchup with Overeem in the next round of the Strikeforce tournament: Like Werdum, Bigfoot has better Brazilian jiu jitsu skills than Overeem. And unlike Werdum, Bigfoot is big and strong enough to take Overeem down and keep him there. I think Overeem’s superior striking will earn him the win in that fight, but Silva is a threat.

7. Shane Carwin (4): The heart and determination Carwin showed against dos Santos was admirable, but that fight also demonstrated how far removed Carwin is from the truly elite of the heavyweight division. Carwin is still a powerful puncher and a potent force in the heavyweight division, but he’s 36 years old and on the down side of his career.

8. Frank Mir (8): Mir has now won two in a row since the beating he took at the hands of Carwin, and he’s been making noises about getting a second shot at Carwin. That’s a fight the UFC should consider booking.

9. Fedor Emelianenko (9): The greatest heavyweight in MMA history is on a two-fight losing streak and hasn’t won since beating Brett Rogers in 2009. Fedor’s upcoming fight with Dan Henderson is an interesting match-up but won’t do anything to bolster his rankings within the heavyweight division: If Fedor wins it just proves that he can beat someone who’s older and smaller than him, while if Fedor loses it’s another piece of evidence that he’s well past his prime.

10. Josh Barnett (NR): Barnett is now back in the Top 10, having finally gotten sanctioned to fight in America and beaten a relatively good opponent. I don’t think the 33-year-old Barnett is on the same level as the truly elite fighters in the heavyweight division, but I do think he’s good enough to beat Sergei Kharitonov and advance to the tournament final, where he’ll be a dangerous opponent for either Overeem or Bigfoot.

 

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Make It, Take It: Heart is Awesome

So”heart of a champion” is just a meaningless phrase?     PicProps: Esther Lin

Heart is awesome. Guts are more important to cage fighting than Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Balls sell more tickets than Olympic medals. Heart is an intangible, an ethereal quality that fighters seem to either have in abundance, or sorely lack. And while intangibles may offend the sensibilities of those who would analyze fights like they’re backward engineering a damn nuclear centrifuge, it’s that very quality that motivates fans to buy tickets, buy shirts, buy pay per views, buy hotel rooms.  It isn’t simply some writer’s trope that we use to fill space; this is an attribute that, however hard to pin down, has a demonstrable effect.

There is something about competition in sports that speaks directly to primal emotions in all of us. Ok, apparently not all of us, but still. Fans tend to be emotional people, and not always rational. So a non-tangible quality like “heart” is important, if for nothing but a fighter’s popularity.

Guys like Ox Wheeler or Leonard Garcia or Scott Smith that seem to just go out there and wing it, wind up getting in a war with some guy and they beat the piss out of one another and everybody in the crowd goes bonkers and throws their hotdogs in the air and the collective cry is a noise like the damn building is yelling–that’s why that happens. And everyone goes home horny and it’s generally a good time had by all. It’s a purely emotional response, and base, and uneducated…and it’s totally valid.

So”heart of a champion” is just a meaningless phrase?     PicProps: Esther Lin

Heart is awesome. Guts are more important to cage fighting than Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Balls sell more tickets than Olympic medals. Heart is an intangible, an ethereal quality that fighters seem to either have in abundance, or sorely lack. And while intangibles may offend the sensibilities of those who would analyze fights like they’re backward engineering a damn nuclear centrifuge, it’s that very quality that motivates fans to buy tickets, buy shirts, buy pay per views, buy hotel rooms.  It isn’t simply some writer’s trope that we use to fill space; this is an attribute that, however hard to pin down, has a demonstrable effect.

There is something about competition in sports that speaks directly to primal emotions in all of us. Ok, apparently not all of us, but still. Fans tend to be emotional people, and not always rational. So a non-tangible quality like “heart” is important, if for nothing but a fighter’s popularity.

Guys like Ox Wheeler or Leonard Garcia or Scott Smith that seem to just go out there and wing it, wind up getting in a war with some guy and they beat the piss out of one another and everybody in the crowd goes bonkers and throws their hotdogs in the air and the collective cry is a noise like the damn building is yelling–that’s why that happens. And everyone goes home horny and it’s generally a good time had by all. It’s a purely emotional response, and base, and uneducated…and it’s totally valid.

Keep in mind, without those newbs and meatheads who come in droves and fall in love with “sloppy” fights and “gutsy” fighters, there is no growth to the sport. Yes, new fans can be can be annoying, so you’d do well to help them learn, rather than piss on their parade about what a shitty fight that was that they just enjoyed so much.

Note to MMA hipsters: yes, your knowledge of obscure brazilian fight leagues and Russian grappling tourneys is impressive. But it’s not wise to demand that a fan have a certain level of knowledge before they’re allowed to enjoy the sport alongside you. Just sayin’.

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If you’ve seen Jared Hess fight, you’ve probably gotten a pretty good look at what heart looks like. Like Shane Carwin, Hess took a pretty nasty beat down, a seventeen-minute session from Hector Lombard in the first Bellator middleweight finals, almost exactly two years ago. Doctors stopped the fight, but Hess never quit. Did he, like Carwin, have very little chance of winning that fight? Yes, very small chance indeed. And heart is what carries a fighter through, holding on to that very small chance.

Heart is what made Hess sign on for another tournament, and another potential shot at the man who had beaten him so thoroughly. Foolhardy? Perhaps, but his resolve is admirable. Hess won his way back to the finals the next season, and faced the Russian hurricane, Alexander Shlemenko. Hess dominated the fight for two rounds. In the third, he continued to dominate, until he landed awkwardly and a everloving cataclysm happened inside his knee. He dislocated pretty much everything from the knee down — and he continued to dominate the fight. It was two minutes later, with Hess close to taking an easy decision win, that the ref noticed that Hess couldn’t stand on his leg because it was no longer functional and called the fight. And Hess had the balls to argue with him. He showed heart.

Heart makes you do awesome things, it just doesn‘t always go the fighter‘s way. Diego Sanchez’s Traveling Slam of Positivity? That came from heart. Anyone can pick a guy up and slam him on his back with enough training. It takes guts to hoist a grown man on your shoulders and jog him back to your corner while you roar like a silverback gorilla. I guess ‘roids could do it, too.

But it didn’t feel like steroids. It felt like Sanchez charged up, communed with some spirits or something, and then carried Paulo Thiago an unnecessary distance before planting him. (See? More of that emotion crap.) Then Sanchez looked like this after BJ Penn got done with him, but he never quit. He never caught too much to just roll over and tap. He took his beating like a man, if you don’t mind that possibly-chauvinistic piece of color. He showed heart.

No, heart is something that you can’t quantify, or test for, or even train for. Statisticians and odds-makers be damned, but fighters will continue to show heart, and hoards of fans will continue to love them for it. Everyone loves an underdog, and fans will still love him when he loses, because he went down swinging.  No one is denying the loss, or masking some truth: sometimes fighters are outgunned and overmatched, but he gutted it out anyway. He showed heart.

Heart is awesome. And hating on heart?  That’s just some cynical bullshit.  Screw that. I’m going to go watch Huerta-Garcia.

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PS:  Sam Sheridan would like a word with you.

 

CagePotato Ban: Giving It Up for ‘Heart’

Junior Dos Santos Shane Carwin
(Shane may have had heart, balls, guts, and a chin, but they were no match for Junior’s elite-level anatomical-metaphor defense.)

We’re almost a week removed from the magnificent beatdown that Junior dos Santos laid on Shane Carwin, and it’s probably safe to assume that all of the post-fight articles have been written about the main event at UFC 131. Well, all but one.

This article is not specifically about UFC 131 or Shane Carwin — it’s about a certain phrase that has been tied to Carwin’s performance following his three-round beating, and that phrase is “He showed a lot of heart.”

Do a Google search on MMA “showed heart” and look at the names associated with the term: Shane Carwin, Paul Daley, Roy Nelson, and Andrei Arlovski, just to name a few. Any fighter that stood in there and took a beating, yup, he “showed a lot of heart.”

It’s time to retire that phrase, and here’s why…

Junior Dos Santos Shane Carwin
(Shane may have had heart, balls, guts, and a chin, but they were no match for Junior’s elite-level anatomical-metaphor defense.)

We’re almost a week removed from the magnificent beatdown that Junior dos Santos laid on Shane Carwin, and it’s probably safe to assume that all of the post-fight articles have been written about the main event at UFC 131. Well, all but one.

This article is not specifically about UFC 131 or Shane Carwin — it’s about a certain phrase that has been tied to Carwin’s performance following his three-round beating, and that phrase is “He showed a lot of heart.”

Do a Google search on MMA “showed heart” and look at the names associated with the term: Shane Carwin, Paul Daley, Roy Nelson, and Andrei Arlovski, just to name a few. Any fighter that stood in there and took a beating, yup, he “showed a lot of heart.”

It’s time to retire that phrase, and here’s why…

It’s lazy. I’ve been guilty of using the phrase myself, but I will no longer use it and I encourage anyone covering MMA to do the same. We see a fighter get beaten bloody, but he doesn’t tap, he doesn’t get KO’d and he doesn’t quit, so we attribute his performance to this mythical thing called “heart.” It’s an easy way out, and too often replaces actual analysis of the losing fighter’s performance.

It’s essentially meaningless. How do you measure heart, guts, and chutzpah? You can’t; it’s all perception. One man’s version of heart is another man’s version of sheer stupidity. Not to pick on Carwin – God knows he was beaten enough on Saturday night — but did he hang in there out of “heart” or out of the never-quit attitude that is pounded into wrestlers and other combat sport participants from a very young age? Do these fighters show this “heart” out of fear of looking soft? (As BJ Penn once said, “You tap from strikes, you’re a little bitch, that’s what I think.”) Besides, these are professional fighters we’re talking about. We don’t really expect them to run out of the cage screaming when things get tough.

It masks the truth. If I were going to write a story about UFC 131 using simple, everyday language and avoid any type of euphemism, the lede would read something like this: “On Saturday, Shane Carwin took a 15 minute beating at the hands of Junior dos Santos. At the end of the fight Carwin’s face was bloody and swollen, he was cut under both eyes and appeared to have a broken nose. Carwin was ineffective during the fight, landing 22 strikes compared to dos Santos’ 104. Carwin was never in the fight, but he showed that he can stand in there and take a beating.” No mention of heart, and you know why? Because it doesn’t exist, outside of the realm of metaphor. The truth is that Carwin can take a punch and he elected to take many of them over the course of the fight. That’s more a deficiency of strategy than anything else.

It leads to things like this. Carwin’s trainer, Trevor Wittman, who by all accounts is one of the best in the business, had the following to say to MMAMania after the fight, “To me, that was like watching a Rocky Balboa movie. Movies are made about stuff like that. As a trainer, I felt we won. We didn’t win the fight but we won as a person and as a team. He did not get beat mentally.”

I understand where Wittman is coming from in this – he has to take something positive away from the loss for his fighter – but to state that Carwin’s beating is the stuff “movies are made about.” Well, that’s a stretch. To say he won as a person and a team? How is that the case? Your fighter gets a loss on his record and he also received a trip to the ER. That’s a loss. The “moral victory,” like heart, is just a weak consolation. While Carwin may not have been beaten mentally he sure as hell was beaten physically and in a sport where you are judged with a W or an L, that’s what counts. There are no asterisks after a loss that say, “He showed a lot of heart.”

So please, let’s do away with “heart.” It was a lame power to have on Captain Planet, and has even less relevance in the real world. 

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Wednesday Morning MMA Link Club

(You know, there probably is a dude out there whose ‘ultimate fantasy’ involves Arianny Celeste and a few thousand limes, and when he sees this video he’s going to absolutely lose his shit. Props: officialbudlight)

Some selected highlights from our friends around the MMA blogosphere. E-mail [email protected] for details on how your site can join the MMA Link Club…

– Alistair Overeem and Fabricio Werdum Head to Head: Who Will Win This Saturday? (LowKick)

– TUF 12 Winner Jonathan Brookins Returns to Featherweight This September Against Eric Koch (Five Ounces of Pain)

– Shane Carwin: “I Can’t Recall Much of the Fight” (5thRound)

– What’s Next for UFC 131’s Winners? (NBC Sports MMA)

– UFC May Enlist Retired NBA Superstar Shaquille O’Neal as Ambassador (MMA Fighting)

– Brendan Schaub: ‘A Win Over Nogueira Puts Me Right In The Number One Contender’s Spot’ (MMA Convert)

– Shane Del Rosario Discusses His Injury, Recovery, and the ‘Supremacy MMA’ Video Game (TheFightNerd)

– Is the Lightweight Division Really the Toughest in MMA? (MMA Mania)

– The 25 Greatest “Changing of the Guard” Fights in MMA History (BleacherReport.com/MMA)

– Jorge Masvidal Talks to Us About Streetfighting, Machetes and Making KJ Noons Shoot on Him (MiddleEasy)


(You know, there probably is a dude out there whose ‘ultimate fantasy’ involves Arianny Celeste and a few thousand limes, and when he sees this video he’s going to absolutely lose his shit. Props: officialbudlight)

Some selected highlights from our friends around the MMA blogosphere. E-mail [email protected] for details on how your site can join the MMA Link Club…

– Alistair Overeem and Fabricio Werdum Head to Head: Who Will Win This Saturday? (LowKick)

– TUF 12 Winner Jonathan Brookins Returns to Featherweight This September Against Eric Koch (Five Ounces of Pain)

– Shane Carwin: “I Can’t Recall Much of the Fight” (5thRound)

– What’s Next for UFC 131′s Winners? (NBC Sports MMA)

– UFC May Enlist Retired NBA Superstar Shaquille O’Neal as Ambassador (MMA Fighting)

– Brendan Schaub: ‘A Win Over Nogueira Puts Me Right In The Number One Contender’s Spot’ (MMA Convert)

– Shane Del Rosario Discusses His Injury, Recovery, and the ‘Supremacy MMA’ Video Game (TheFightNerd)

– Is the Lightweight Division Really the Toughest in MMA? (MMA Mania)

– The 25 Greatest “Changing of the Guard” Fights in MMA History (BleacherReport.com/MMA)

– Jorge Masvidal Talks to Us About Streetfighting, Machetes and Making KJ Noons Shoot on Him (MiddleEasy)

Betting Lines Show Cain Velasquez a Favorite Over Junior dos Santos

According to Ariel Helwani, early betting lines showed the next Heavyweight title-shot contender, Junior dos Santos to be the favorite going into his (possibly UFC 136) bout against, current champion, Cain Velasquez. But, it looks.

According to Ariel Helwani, early betting lines showed the next Heavyweight title-shot contender, Junior dos Santos to be the favorite going into his (possibly UFC 136) bout against, current champion, Cain Velasquez. But, it looks like the tides changed quickly and Velasquez is now the favorite by as much as (–160) with dos Santos the (+130) underdog.

dos Santos had been expected to fight Velasquez for the title months ago, but Velasquez suffered a shoulder injury which sidelined their fight and dos Santos took the TUF 13 coaching stint against Brock Lesnar instead. Having trained for months, expecting to face Lesnar, dos Santos was dealt another surprise when Lesnar suffered a repeat bout with diverticulitis which left Shane Carwin as his replacement at UFC 131. dos Santos gave Carwin a solid beating and will now hopefully take his rightful place at the front of the Heavyweight line to meet Velasquez inside the Octagon. We expect lots of line movement in the next few months leading up to this likely October fight. So if you’d like to take advantage of dos Santos as the dog, head here now.

UFC 131 Results: What’s Next for the Main Card Fighters

UFC 131 Results: What’s Next for the Main Card FightersBleacher Report’s Bryan Levick:I know I am a few days late, but with two young kids my weekends are getting busier and busier. UFC 131 is over and done with. Another successful Canadian show put on…

UFC 131 Results: What’s Next for the Main Card Fighters

Bleacher Report’s Bryan Levick:

I know I am a few days late, but with two young kids my weekends are getting busier and busier. UFC 131 is over and done with. Another successful Canadian show put on by the UFC, you have to love the Canadian fans they really get into each and every fight.

The main event was very surprising as I am not sure there are too many people who felt that Carwin and Dos Santos would make it out of the first round. It almost didn’t as Dos Santos has Carwin on the ropes and was punching the holy hell out him, but much like his fight against Lesnar where Josh Rosenthal gave Brock an opportunity to recover, Herb Dean paid Carwin the same respect and was proven right when Carwin battled on.

So we know where Dos Santos is headed and that is a showdown with UFC Heavyweight Champion Cain Velasquez as soon as the the champ is fully recovered from shoulder surgery. Other than that there are no set match-ups for the other 9 fighters who fought on the main card.

Let’s take a look and see what makes sense for the rest of them.

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