The Plot Thickens: Jon Jones’ Test Results Also Reveal Abnormal T/E Ratios, Hormone Levels

While there’s been a lot of hubbub (rightfully) made about Jon Jones’ positive test for cocaine and the Nevada State Athletic Commission’s subsequent bumblefucking of his case, it’s taken (some of) us a couple days to see another, perhaps greater abnormality in Jones’ sample. Also, I just used hubbub and bumblefuck in the same sentence and probably deserve some kind of award for that.

As you already know, Jones’ two tests on December 4th both came back positive for traces of cocaine metabolites, with his follow-up test on the 18th coming back clean. All three tests, however, showed significantly lower than usual levels of testosterone, which for a young athlete of Jones’ level is unusual to say the very least.

Jones’ first test (the “watery” sample) is pictured above. As you can see, Jones’ testosterone levels measured at 59ng/dL, and his epitestosterone levels measured at 170ng/dL. This raises several red flags, as the range for epitestosterone is usually similar to that of testosterone (hence the 1:1 T/E ratio that is considered normal). Jones’ second and third tests are after the jump.

Now, there are a few possible explanations as to why Jones’ T/E ratio could come back so abnormal…

While there’s been a lot of hubbub (rightfully) made about Jon Jones’ positive test for cocaine and the Nevada State Athletic Commission’s subsequent bumblefucking of his case, it’s taken (some of) us a couple days to see another, perhaps greater abnormality in Jones’ sample. Also, I just used hubbub and bumblefuck in the same sentence and probably deserve some kind of award for that.

As you already know, Jones’ two tests on December 4th both came back positive for traces of cocaine metabolites, with his follow-up test on the 18th coming back clean. All three tests, however, showed significantly lower than usual levels of testosterone, which for a young athlete of Jones’ level is unusual to say the very least.

Jones’ first test (the “watery” sample) is pictured above. As you can see, Jones’ testosterone levels measured at 59ng/dL, and his epitestosterone levels measured at 170ng/dL. This raises several red flags, as the range for epitestosterone is usually similar to that of testosterone (hence the 1:1 T/E ratio that is considered normal). Jones’ second and third tests are after the jump.

Now, there are a few possible explanations as to why Jones’ T/E ratio could come back so abnormal…(as BloodyElbow’s Iain Kidd theorizes):

What possible explanations are there for such odd results? Well for the low testosterone there are plenty. The normal levels are those taken first thing in the morning. If Jon Jones was tested late in the day, his levels would be slightly lower than normal anyway. If the tests came after a strenuous training session, this would lower them even further. Certain drugs, especially opiate based painkillers, can also have a very significant, though temporary, effect on testosterone levels and production.

I am personally unaware of any natural reason for epitestosterone to be so much higher than testosterone. Readings such as this are typically seen as red flags for drug testing agencies, as exogenous epitestosterone (that is, epitestosterone administered from an external source, not produced naturally by the body) is banned due to its use as a masking agent. Athletes were using epitestosterone to ensure their T:E ratios would not be too high on standard urine tests, leading to the ban by WADA and other organisations.

As every website reporting on these levels have noted, none of these explanations should be considered fact until all the information is out there. Considering that NSAC executive director Bob Bennett told reporters yesterday that the lab responsible for testing Jones might *also* have screwed up in regards to what he was actually tested for, it’s too early to really start lobbing any potentially libelous claims Jones’ way.

Jones’ second test is below. Although his T levels had risen to a much more normal 180ng/dL, note his higher-than-average 610ng/dL E levels.

His December 18th test, on the other hand, still shows a lower-than normal 180ng/dL, but his epitestosterone levels are off the charts at 2000ng/dL.

So what does this mean? Well, at the risk of being forced to print another retraction, we’ll just say that the results possibly indicate that an external/synthetic form of epitestosterone could be behind Jones’ abnormal samples. But as Kidd continues:

It has to be noted that urine testing for testosterone levels is significantly less accurate than blood testing. All three tests appear to be urine tests only. It’s also possible that the concentration/dilution of Jones’ urine mean his levels look abnormal. It should not affect the relative ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone, though. Nor do I believe it would explain the drastic change in epitestosterone level between his December 4th and December 18th test, since his testosterone levels do not show the same rate of increase.

Of course, there’s an easy way to put all of these rumors to rest, as Dr. Johnny Benjamin and Victor Conte have both pointed out on Twitter. By using a carbon isotope test on Jones’s stored samples, NSAC would be able to accurately determine if he was using synthetic testosterone or epitestosterone, which could result in an even bigger shitstorm for the much-troubled champion. Of course, the NSAC being NSAC, these tests will likely never happen. Which…

Again, we will hopefully have more definitive answers regarding Jones’ case when the NSAC meets next Monday.

Related: Oh, had we forgotten to mention that there’s a possibility that Jones perjured himself while speaking in front of the commission back in September? Because yeah, that too (via MMAFighting):

Jon Jones told the Nevada Athletic Commission (NAC) in September that he lost his Nike endorsement due to a brawl he had with Daniel Cormier during a press event in the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

Last week, Jones backtracked from that statement and now the Nevada deputy attorney general is reviewing whether or not Jones perjured himself under oath at the hearing, MMAFighting.com has learned.

NAC executive director Bob Bennett said the commission is aware of Jones’ comments prior to UFC 182 and the matter has been sent up the ladder.

“They’re considering it for review,” Bennett said. “It’s nothing new to us.

“It would be concerning if anyone lied during testimony.”

According to Jones himself, he “definitely worded it wrong.”

“Nike did not drop me because of that fight and I kind of owe an apology to Nike for saying they dropped me because of the fight.” said Jones during a media conference call. “They actually didn’t. Nike has been known to support its athletes through much worse things than a brawl in the middle of MGM [Grand].”

So basically, I’ve just used a lot of words to describe the past couple months of Jon Jones’ life, when it can all be summed up in a 3-minute song.

J. Jones

Oh, For The Love of Christ: Ken Shamrock Reportedly Facing James Quinn In a Bare Knuckle Boxing Match


(“We’re thinking of broadcasting it on PPV for the low-price of $109.95, including satellite fees … this is for the poster, right?”/ Photo via Getty)

As if the perils and inconsistent regulations of MMA weren’t cringeworthy enough, it seems like the shift to boxing is the answer to when shit really hits the fan.

UFC Hall of Famer Ken Shamrock announced through a press release on his website that he’ll be duking it out against James Quinn in a bare knuckle boxing match, scheduled to take place sometime this April in the United Kingdom.

Here is an excerpt from the statement:

“Shamrock is in great health and feels invigorated by this opportunity to continue to compete and to continue giving back to his fans. Shamrock is going back to his roots as a fighter. Knowing his body well, Shamrock knows that his decision to re-enter the ring for the love of this sport is a sound decision. Shamrock adamantly believes that age should never be a restriction to any athlete. People can do amazing feats past their prime, if it’s a priority to them.

“Shamrock knows that bare-knuckle boxing is a sport with great potential to grow well beyond where the sport is today. His involvement in this sport is to show support and help its success.”

Now, apart from the hilariousness that is Shamrock building his entire website to announce this news, complete with sections devoted to limited merchandise, “Youth Outreach,” and “Shamrock’s Businesses” (including sections like Yes. I Am Learning The Stock Trade, the Shamrock Slam: Technical Fitness Drink, and Profit 101: Self-Defense & Fitness, all under the “Get Stuff” tab, we’re hoping this does happen (because at this point, who the hell cares anymore), yet we’re not exactly holding out for our hero…


(“We’re thinking of broadcasting it on PPV for the low-price of $109.95, including satellite fees … this is for the poster, right?”/ Photo via Getty)

As if the perils and inconsistent regulations of MMA weren’t cringeworthy enough, it seems like the shift to boxing is the answer to when shit really hits the fan.

UFC Hall of Famer Ken Shamrock announced through a press release on his website that he’ll be duking it out against James Quinn in a bare knuckle boxing match, scheduled to take place  sometime this April in the United Kingdom.

Here is an excerpt from the statement:

“Shamrock is in great health and feels invigorated by this opportunity to continue to compete and to continue giving back to his fans. Shamrock is going back to his roots as a fighter. Knowing his body well, Shamrock knows that his decision to re-enter the ring for the love of this sport is a sound decision. Shamrock adamantly believes that age should never be a restriction to any athlete. People can do amazing feats past their prime, if it’s a priority to them.

“Shamrock knows that bare-knuckle boxing is a sport with great potential to grow well beyond where the sport is today. His involvement in this sport is to show support and help its success.”

Now, apart from the hilariousness that is Shamrock building his entire website to announce this news, complete with sections devoted to limited merchandise, “Youth Outreach,” and “Shamrock’s Businesses” (including sections like Yes. I Am Learning The Stock Trade, the Shamrock Slam: Technical Fitness Drink, and Profit 101: Self-Defense & Fitness, all under the “Get Stuff” tab, we’re hoping this does happen (because at this point, who the hell cares anymore), yet we’re not exactly holding out for our hero.

Shamrock is infamous for no-showing fights, and other ventures he promotes. The former Pride, Pancrase, and WWE superstar is a repeat offender when it comes to ripping off promoters, like that time he was supposed to fight Ian Freeman, amongst countless other mishaps.

Truth be told, we still think he cut himself backstage with a Mach 3 Turbo before his bout against Kimbo Slice at EliteXC: Heat back in 2008. There was slight hope when Shamrock last resurfaced on Canada’s Off The Record, as he and Tito Ortiz were supposed to dish out dirty secrets stemming from the UFC’s business practices. Instead, it was like going out with your two friends that dated the same person six years ago, and one of them is still complaining about how they never got back that ultra-rare The Jesus & Mary Chain sweater.

Also, it seems like “The World’s Dangerous Man” isn’t guarding 50 Cent anymore, presumably because Shamrock actually doesn’t know who he is, or tried to belly-to-belly suplex Tony Yayo in the studio when he tried to pass the dutch to Fitty.

Ok, that’s enough …. on to James Quinn …

Revered as a bare knuckle boxing legend in Europe, Quinn is a fighter and author, and he’s been in his fair share of WTF moments himself. Below is a fight against another well-travelled slugger, Paddy Joyce, presumably taking place where Jim Gillespie shot I Know What You Did Last Summer (check out the backstory on the fight and the rivalry between Quinn and the Joyce family provided by The Irish Mirror):

We’re sorry for showing you the same kind of unfair assault you’d find on World Star Hip Hop, but this is journalism, after all.

On that note, pretty sure this is going to be extremely depressing. We’re waiting on another MMA website that will be previewing the contest and providing a detailed breakdown of the fight.

-Alex G.

Tim Sylvia Weighs In at 371 Pounds (?!?) for Reality Fighting 53, Declared Medically Unfit to Fight


(But you know what? He carries it well. / Props: Kirik Jenness)

Former UFC heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia was scheduled to fight Juliano “Banana” Coutinho tonight in the super-heavyweight main event of Reality Fighting 53, at the Mohegan Sun Casino in Uncasville, CT. Unfortunately, Sylvia was not cleared to fight by the Mohegan Tribe Department of Athletic Regulation — after hitting the scales yesterday at 371 goddamned pounds.

Three. Seven. One. That’s sixty pounds heavier than Sylvia was when he lost to Ray Mercer, and we thought that was rock-bottom for him. This is the same guy who was begging for another shot in the UFC back in May. At this point, he would have to lose 106 pounds to hit the heavyweight division’s 265-pound limit.

But there might be more to the Department of Athletic Regulation’s decision to bar Timmy from fighting than his weight. Sources close to the event have indicated to CagePotato that there was actually a problem with an MRI that Sylvia was required to take before the match. Sylvia’s manager Monte Cox confirmed that Sylvia was required to undergo additional medical tests at the last minute due to his age. At any rate, concern for his brain health may have played a bigger role than the number on the scale.

We’ll update you when we know more. In the meantime, good Lord, Tim, please get on The Biggest Loser or something.


(But you know what? He carries it well. / Props: Kirik Jenness)

Former UFC heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia was scheduled to fight Juliano “Banana” Coutinho tonight in the super-heavyweight main event of Reality Fighting 53, at the Mohegan Sun Casino in Uncasville, CT. Unfortunately, Sylvia was not cleared to fight by the Mohegan Tribe Department of Athletic Regulation — after hitting the scales yesterday at 371 goddamned pounds.

Three. Seven. One. That’s sixty pounds heavier than Sylvia was when he lost to Ray Mercer, and we thought that was rock-bottom for him. This is the same guy who was begging for another shot in the UFC back in May. At this point, he would have to lose 106 pounds to hit the heavyweight division’s 265-pound limit.

But there might be more to the Department of Athletic Regulation’s decision to bar Timmy from fighting than his weight. Sources close to the event have indicated to CagePotato that there was actually a problem with an MRI that Sylvia was required to take before the match. Sylvia’s manager Monte Cox confirmed that Sylvia was required to undergo additional medical tests at the last minute due to his age. At any rate, concern for his brain health may have played a bigger role than the number on the scale.

We’ll update you when we know more. In the meantime, good Lord, Tim, please get on The Biggest Loser or something.

The UFC Signs CM Punk. Holy Shit.


(Photo via Getty)

CM Punk has just signed with the UFC.

This isn’t the usual page-view mongering scheme MMA sites run during lulls just to drum up traffic. This is legit. We will be seeing CM Punk (whose real name is Phil Brooks) in the Octagon in the future.

Punk was present at UFC 181 to make the announcement in an interview with Joe Rogan. He said he’d fight at middleweight or weltereweight, though he didn’t reveal what camp he’d train out of. He currently trains with Rener and Ryon Gracie. He will make his Octagon debut in 2015.


(Photo via Getty)

CM Punk has just signed with the UFC.

This isn’t the usual page-view mongering scheme MMA sites run during lulls just to drum up traffic. This is legit. We will be seeing CM Punk (whose real name is Phil Brooks) in the Octagon in the future.

Punk was present at UFC 181 to make the announcement in an interview with Joe Rogan. He said he’d fight at middleweight or weltereweight, though he didn’t reveal what camp he’d train out of. He currently trains with Rener and Ryon Gracie. He will make his Octagon debut in 2015.

To say this is a massive announcement is a bigger understatement than saying Dana White has a swearing problem. This is huge. How huge? Maybe not Brock Lesnar huge but certainly the shot in the arm in regards to starpower the post-Lesnar, post-GSP UFC needed right now.

Being a 36-year-old with zero competitive athletic background (no, his status as a BJJ hobbyist doesn’t count), Punk’s chances of succeeding in MMA are dubious. Still, Punk’s presence on the roster will almost definitely lift the UFC’s sagging PPV sales, even if his athletic merit is nonexistent.

So Mickey Rourke *May* Have Beaten Up a Mentally Unstable Homeless Man Last Weekend

(Rourke vs. Elliot Seymour, Round 2. Come for the funny accents, stay for the SAVAGE body shots.)

While you were pausing to check your phone in between trips to the Golden Corral buffet line this Thanksgiving weekend, you might have heard that 62 year-old actor Mickey Rourke returned to the boxing ring after a 20 year absence to face off against 29 year-old Elliot Seymour in Moscow. You might also have heard that star of The Wrestler not only survived the encounter, but actually walked away the victor via a second round TKO.

What you might not have heard (or seen) was the fight itself, which played out in the kind of cringeworthy fashion you would expect of a Russian freakshow fight between a 62 year-old and a 1-9 journeyman. Rourke repeatedly dropped Seymour with body shots that looked…let’s say “less than devastating”, leading many fans to cry foul mere moments after the fight was waved off. (“A Hollywood actor playing make believe? I for one am flabbergasted!” — Nobody)

And unfortunately, today brings an even more depressing insight into the story of Rourke’s glorious absolute victory. We’ll let The Daily Mail explain:

In an exclusive interview, a source close to Seymour’s family, said: ‘It was clearly a fixed fight. The whole bouncing off the ropes, hands down, punches were not landing and they were intentionally hitting each other’s gloves.

There are people at Wild Card gym who know that Elliot’s in a really terrible situation and pretty much living on the streets, these are Mickey Rourke’s people who Elliot’s been around and known for some time.

All these headlines Mickey Rourke beat someone half his age… yeah he did but you’re not telling them the real story, the real story is he’s homeless and desperate and he will probably go back to living on the streets when he gets back. People have no clue about that.


(Rourke vs. Elliot Seymour, Round 2. Come for the funny accents, stay for the SAVAGE body shots.)

While you were pausing to check your phone in between trips to the Golden Corral buffet line this Thanksgiving weekend, you might have heard that 62 year-old actor Mickey Rourke returned to the boxing ring after a 20 year absence to face off against 29 year-old Elliot Seymour in Moscow. You might also have heard that star of The Wrestler not only survived the encounter, but actually walked away the victor via a second round TKO.

What you might not have heard (or seen) was the fight itself, which played out in the kind of cringeworthy fashion you would expect of a Russian freakshow fight between a 62 year-old and a 1-9 journeyman. Rourke repeatedly dropped Seymour with body shots that looked…let’s say “less than devastating”, leading many fans to cry foul mere moments after the fight was waved off. (“A Hollywood actor playing make believe? I for one am flabbergasted!” — Nobody)

And unfortunately, today brings an even more depressing insight into the story of Rourke’s glorious absolute victory. We’ll let The Daily Mail explain:

In an exclusive interview, a source close to Seymour’s family, said: ‘It was clearly a fixed fight. The whole bouncing off the ropes, hands down, punches were not landing and they were intentionally hitting each other’s gloves.

There are people at Wild Card gym who know that Elliot’s in a really terrible situation and pretty much living on the streets, these are Mickey Rourke’s people who Elliot’s been around and known for some time.

All these headlines Mickey Rourke beat someone half his age… yeah he did but you’re not telling them the real story, the real story is he’s homeless and desperate and he will probably go back to living on the streets when he gets back. People have no clue about that. There’s so much more to the situation than people know, and there’s so much that’s more important than the fact it was fixed, which is the fact he doesn’t have a home and he’s got some mental health issues. They told him to throw the fight, I hope he gets home safely and paid. They wanted him down in the 4th.’

Anyone with half a brain could have predicted that a fight featuring a 60+ year-old Hollywood actor would end under sketchy circumstances, but this development truly makes you realize the no-win situation Rourke put himself in by agreeing to this in the first place. If he was paired against a semi-competent opponent and destroyed, we would have mocked him for daring to think he could still compete at his age. If he went the other route, *this* route, you knew that it would only be a matter of time before the horrific details began to emerge. Honestly, I’m just going to say that Rourke looks to be in great shape and walk away whistling.

But yeah, Mickey Rourke beat up a homeless, mentally unstable drifter in Russia on Black Friday, which is quite possibly the most beautiful series of words ever committed to the CP WordPress.

BREAKING: We have just received word that Rourke actually competed in another, bare-knuckle match over the weekend, and the results were equally as vicious. A gif of the finish is below:

Brutal. Just brutal.

J. Jones

MMA is Horrible: Jon Jones Defends Disgraced Bill Cosby

This week on MMA is Horrible, we have UFC light heavyweight champ Jon Jones defending Bill Cosby — a man 13 women have accused of rape.

TMZ found Jon Jones in Los Angeles and asked for his thoughts on the matter:

What’d he do? He raped somebody, right? Nah. I don’t think Bill Cosby would do that. I’ve never met him but from what I’ve seen, he seems to be a class act. I kinda grew up admiring him as a black actor and I really hope that’s not true. I mean, he’s Bill Cosby, he shouldn’t have to take it. They should be [does a gesture insinuating women should throw themselves at him].

Umm…yeah. Not exactly the most graceful or appropriate response from Jones.

This week on MMA is Horrible, we have UFC light heavyweight champ Jon Jones defending Bill Cosby — a man 13 women have accused of rape.

TMZ found Jon Jones in Los Angeles and asked for his thoughts on the matter:

What’d he do? He raped somebody, right? Nah. I don’t think Bill Cosby would do that. I’ve never met him but from what I’ve seen, he seems to be a class act. I kinda grew up admiring him as a black actor and I really hope that’s not true. I mean, he’s Bill Cosby, he shouldn’t have to take it. They should be [does a gesture insinuating women should throw themselves at him].

Umm…yeah. Not exactly the most graceful or appropriate response from Jones. He essentially laughed of Cosby’s allegations because Cosby is famous and “shouldn’t have to take it.” That’s shameful and embarrassing, quite frankly. Not only does it show a misunderstanding of rape (a crime fueled by power, not sex drive), it shows that Jones values Bill Cosby’s word over the word of 13 women just because it’s hard to imagine Cosby doing something like that.

Jones’ faux pas comes at a time when Anthony “Rumble” Johnson literally LOL’d at his own domestic abuse accusations and Conor McGregor called Dennis Siver a Nazi. MMA is horrible sometimes, isn’t it?